Jess: 0:00

I just want to say that I felt like Austin Powers in that bathroom. Why Evacuation, evacuation? Have you seen Austin Powers when he no, why are you talking about? And then he stops and then starts again and it goes on for hours.

Hannah: 0:14

I've never seen the Austin Powers movies. What?

Jess: 0:17

What the?

Hannah: 0:18

hell, hannah, my mom didn't let me watch that stuff.

Rob: 0:21

What horrible parents did you have?

Jess: 0:25

The kind that made him deep dish pizza and watch Martha Stewart.

Rob: 0:30

Yeah, baby yeah.

Jess: 0:31

And Star Trek.

Rob: 0:33

One million dollars.

Hannah: 0:36

No, it sounds like I missed much, all right.

Jess: 0:38

Really, you didn't Just thought you'd like to know my peeing habits, did you?

Hannah: 0:44

go to Venice when you were 16 years old?

Rob: 0:46

No, I grew up poor. We were not that poor, we only went to Florida. Credit cards, yeah, your parents owned.

Hannah: 0:56

like what is it called that? That's a share, yeah.

Rob: 0:59

You had time share. Yeah, that's like $5,000 and you're an owner in 1990.

Hannah: 1:04

Right, and then they paid dues every year.

Jess: 1:06

I think I can win this argument, because when I grew up, I lived in Colorado and every trailer park. No, in a van down by the river. Our vacations were to drive over to Utah to visit my grandparents, but there's what?

Hannah: 1:23

nine of you all together? Well, eight, eight, not eight kids. The other six kids, no, there's eight kids.

Jess: 1:29

Eight kids, oh my God, yeah. Before GPS, before cell phones.

Rob: 1:35

Oh yeah, we used to go to AAA and get the the maps to drive down to Florida.

Jess: 1:41

Triptychs, yep and those big old station wagons where the back seat is turned backwards.

Rob: 1:47

Yeah, so my parents, they would have those caravans, those bands Chrysler caravans.

Jess: 1:54

Yeah.

Rob: 1:55

And they would take out the third row and we would put blankets down and my sister and I we would sleep in the back as my parents go. You know, 70, 75, 80 miles an hour down, 95.

Mom: 2:12

No seat belts. No seat belts yeah.

Hannah: 2:15

You're just laying down my mom never told me to not wear a seat belt, like we grew up the same time, so that's just interesting.

Jess: 2:23

Also, did your dad ever threaten to turn this car around?

Rob: 2:27

Oh, absolutely Both of my parents.

Hannah: 2:29

Mom did. Mom told me I was never going to drive again.

Ouch! Was That A Ghost?: 2:33

You want to hear this.

Hannah: 2:33

This is actually a good story because I was had my learners permit and she would take me out on Sunday mornings. But you know the rotary, that's an Isometto, oh yes. So I refuse to go through. I'm not doing it on Sunday morning. There was no cars. No, I'm not doing it. My mom was like, if you don't do it, you're not getting a license. I'm like, ok, it's like pulled into a lot and she drove through it and I got my license. Everybody, just everyone else.

Mom: 2:58

But yeah, when she was 30, she got her license.

Hannah: 3:01

That's not true. I was. I was so mad. Are you not driving ever again?

Jess: 3:07

I'm so mad. My mom told me she wouldn't take me driving until I had experience.

Hannah: 3:12

Yeah, that doesn't mean how we're going to get the experience mom.

Rob: 3:15

I love my mom For some reason I never turned the headlights on when I would drive at night. And my dad told me if you do that one more time, you're never driving ever again.

Hannah: 3:27

What? Why wouldn't you? I guess I just never.

Rob: 3:31

I never turned the headlights on. I would drive and do you, and then he'd be like you need to turn the headlights on.

Jess: 3:38

Thank goodness for cars now that just have automatic.

Rob: 3:42

Yes, exactly.

Hannah: 3:43

And Rob's a stickler now. He's always flashing his lights at people. Do I don't?

Jess: 3:47

they could be gang members trying to find somebody. That's what I said.

Mom: 3:52

I said I've been Legend.

Hannah: 3:56

No, we're all about urban legend here at Wicked Wandering.

Jess: 3:59

So if anyone knows this for sure Wicked Wanderings podcast at gmailcom and inform us, because Hannah and I believe it's real.

Rob: 4:07

No way.

Hannah: 4:08

Oh, by the way, serious question Are bugs animals?

Jess: 4:13

No, they're insects. Thank, you Thank you Three to one year.

Rob: 4:18

Three to one and we're going to put a Facebook pull out is bugs.

Hannah: 4:23

But I also have three other people that know, four other people that said they are animals.

Rob: 4:30

Go to Wicked Wanderings podcast on the school. Well, they're middle schoolers and vote in the poll.

Hannah: 4:36

But they're closer to school than we are. Did you just say they're middle?

Jess: 4:40

schoolers Because, like you know, I work in districts.

Hannah: 4:42

That's who you have backing you up.

Rob: 4:44

Exactly that's what I said.

Hannah: 4:46

They're closer to school, though, like they're learning about it now. Ok, that's who?

Mom: 4:52

I was.

Hannah: 4:53

Hannah, you're adorable. Well, that was my logic. They're my friends. Ok, ok, they're my friends Kids. They're cool kids, I'm sure they are. They're Vicky's kids.

Jess: 5:07

Shout out to Vicky and her kids. They just don't know that bugs are insects and not animals.

Hannah: 5:13

But I thought animals were the umbrella, I mean. And then you have insects, mammals.

Rob: 5:19

And that definition, then trees are considered animals.

Jess: 5:23

No, it's not. Well, no, there's like the animal kingdom. What are lizards? Are those?

Hannah: 5:29

animals. Right so be like mammals reptiles, insects but is animals, mammals, so do insects fall under the so let's go back to Genesis people. It wasn't like and God made the insects? No, he made animals.

Rob: 5:44

I believe it says and God made life.

Hannah: 5:48

I thought it depends on what version. The King James version is the only true version.

Jess: 5:52

Well, according to Charles Darwin, yeah in the theory of evolution.

Ouch! Was That A Ghost?: 5:56

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Hannah: 6:28

Hello Wanderers. I'm Hannah and I'm Jess, and this is Wicked Wanderings. All right, Hello Jessica.

Jess: 6:38

Hello Hannah. How are you? I'm good. How are you doing Good? You were ready to talk about Scotland. Yes, this was done via my request.

Hannah: 6:48

Yes, it was yes, Heart of my hearts. So I wanted to share my love of Scotland with you wonderful people. But I want to do it. Oh, hi, mom, I'm sorry, hannah she's your mother.

Jess: 7:01

I'm so sorry, mom.

Hannah: 7:04

I just got so excited for Scotland Hi mom, and when she isn't telling you.

Mom: 7:08

I was obsessed with Scotland when I was a teenager and I brought her there when she was 14. So I think that obsession is it kind of grew with the next generation. She's even more obsessed than I ever was.

Jess: 7:19

Oh, she definitely should have remembered to introduce you, since you introduced her to Scotland, I did, she was 14.

Mom: 7:27

Scotland. Sorry, mom, it's okay honey.

Jess: 7:30

She still loves you. She's my favorite daughter. She's also your only daughter.

Mom: 7:38

We don't say that.

Jess: 7:38

Oh, okay, you're my favorite daughter too, Hannah.

Hannah: 7:44

Okay, sorry, hi, mom. So I want to share my love of Scotland through stories of murder, folklore and hauntings. So I don't want this to be my first, but I don't think I'll do them like in order. I think I'll do like a pop up story here and there, but this is the first time I've ever thought of a story that's not that good, but it's actually the first time I've done many, so that makes sense.

Hannah: 8:15

The first of many it's a series, yes, or episode, exactly Okay. So I've been extremely blessed to have been to Scotland several times and one of those times I got, but I also didn't have the best roommates in the world.

Jess: 8:32

I did have one roommate.

Hannah: 8:34

They were bringing like strange men home. Good thing there was a lock on my door, Like I know you're supposed to have fun in college, but I'm like I mean, but it's Scotland in the accents.

Jess: 8:44

I'd probably be bringing strange men into.

Hannah: 8:46

They weren't even from Scotland. These guys were like from like Italy. Oh, because like we were all had like flats, basically apartments, and so they were all abroad students. So it was like Germany, italy, it wasn't even in.

Jess: 8:59

Scottish guys. They were just going on a tour of international countries.

Hannah: 9:04

I just don't want to walk out of my room and then see a guy coming out of the room. I'm like, oh hi, Welcome to my dorm.

Rob: 9:12

But anyways, that's a different story you and I had different dreams.

Hannah: 9:17

I was very different at 21. Let's just be honest. So, anyways, I lived in Edinburgh and it was one of the oldest and most beautiful cities you will ever go to, and if you haven't been, please go. I want to go. Maybe that will be the next trip for John Poor.

Jess: 9:32

John we're volunteering for all these amazing trips which I'm sure he's listening and is like of course I'll take you, I see both.

Hannah: 9:41

In Edinburgh was the famous Edinburgh Castle that sits on this throne of rock, literally.

Mom: 9:47

Yeah.

Hannah: 9:49

And you can see why back in history would have been a fortress you would not mess with. It is located on the Royal Mile, which is now full of shops and people going to work and pubs and culture. But the history and the energy that is in these stones and the stones like you walk on, and the stones, the structures they hold so much of the past and I want to share some of that. Sweet Mom, you mentioned what the stone is that Edinburgh Castle sits on. I didn't know if you wanted to.

Mom: 10:17

It's on volcanic rock and it was a fortress and it's at the top of the Royal Mile, which is actually 1.1 miles, which is a Scott's Mile, and then it goes down to Hollow Roots. So you've got the castle at the top and the palace at the bottom, which has a whole other history with Mary Queen of Scots and that kind of thing, so it's actually a pretty fabulous place.

Mom: 10:40

If you look at pictures of the Royal Mile, you'll see there's three of the red telephone booths. The flat that my sister and I rented for about 10 days is right there, so we actually could sit in our window seats and look out on the Royal Mile. The other thing is we were there the week of Halloween, oh, hallows Eve, yeah. So we were there. So we saw something pretty cool. They do the book parade down for Samhain Samhain, yeah.

Hannah: 11:10

So when I was there for study abroad, that was the time that they rented it and first of all, it was the most relaxing I've ever been, because I don't think I realized how much I wasn't sleeping well, so I knew I was like quote, unquote, protected with my mom and my aunt, so I would just like randomly fall asleep in the car when they were driving or just at random times, and I could do my laundry for free, because before it was like 50 pence to wash, 50 pence to dry, and then you had like I literally had to walk out, go outside to the back entrance to do laundry.

Hannah: 11:43

That was if something was free. I did all my laundry, I slept. Hashtag first world problems it really is, it really is. And I never had a dorm experience, because where I went to school I just I was at home. So it was definitely eye opening.

Jess: 12:01

So that was your first big experience out in the world.

Hannah: 12:04

Yeah, yeah, I really went out in the world. I went across the pond. They were there for someone, which was amazing, which was a lot of fun. So we'll get into some of those stories, because it's amazing. One of the first stories I want to talk about is the murder of Alexander Can't, he can't, well, he can't, he can't anymore. So to tell how this murder happened, I'm going to go back to September 9th, 1513, where a now widow, allison Roush, had to raise her four children by herself, since her husband and the king were killed. They were killed in one of those many battles that happened right, yes, happened back in the day Now.

Hannah: 12:44

Allison was kind of a badass because over the next 20 years, while there was a lot of civil unrest and political issues in Scotland, allison remarried, then she divorced and then she became a merchant herself. Good for her. She also made money and actually gave herself a small fortune, which was unheard of for women of this time. Allison helped her children find spouses and success in their own lives. This included marrying her daughter, catherine, to a prosperous merchant named Alexander Cant. Allison agreed to pay a dowry for her daughter, which was kind of amazing, also because for a mother that's lost her husband and then she divorced to be able to have money to do a dowry, which was pretty impressive. Four years later, it still had not been paid. Alexander decided to sue his mother-in-law, because that always goes over well. There was also a disagreement over property, and in the middle of a very heated argument and her daughter was present as well Allison struck Alexander and killed him.

Mom: 13:43

Oh, shit yeah. So my favorite murder story where the mother-in-law kills the son-in-law. You better watch out Rob.

Hannah: 13:54

Don't piss anyone off. Both the women actually were arrested and condemned to death, but Catherine was pregnant, so they postponed her execution, nice, and she was given to the custody of her brother until such time that her sentence could be brought out, which I think is worse. It's like, oh well, let you have your baby. So you're just sitting there for months on end knowing you're gonna die. Yeah, and, by the way, you didn't even do the killing, your mother did?

Jess: 14:20

Did she still die after she gave birth?

Hannah: 14:22

Oh well, After she had her baby she fled I mean smart and she left her baby with her brother. She fled and went to England where she married again and they fled to Germany with her new husband. Did she ever send for the baby? She did not, but 30 years later she left property to her daughter.

Jess: 14:44

Okay that she abandoned. I guess that makes up for her absence.

Hannah: 14:47

Not really. I know, does it? No, allison had originally escaped too, but she got caught and was put to death by drowning, and this was a common way to die for female offenders and condemned witches. We know all about the witches. Yes, fucking puttna. She was taken to the lock where the Princess Street gardens are actually now, and they and she got killed.

Jess: 15:09

I would rather have my head chopped off, just saying.

Hannah: 15:12

I know. So they actually showed, like the contraption that she was put in, which is basically like a chair, and you're just strapped in there and yeah, oh, I can't breathe. Yeah, it definitely is not not my ideal way to go. But, so let's begin talking about Mary King's close.

Jess: 15:27

Yes, I watched a show on this once and I'm so intrigued.

Hannah: 15:32

My mom has a lot to add. So, mom, just pipe in when you're ready. Walking down the Royal Mile, you will see what look like alleyways on either side of the streets, and they are these very skinny side streets that have names to them and I will say, I guess, coming from America, they scare me, because when you have alleyways in America like oh, there are like nefarious things going on, it's a little creepy.

Hannah: 15:56

But there was like one daily. We had to go down when we were there because our car was parked at the end of it. So you have to go down there, or there's there's places to drink down there or there's restaurants, like it's normal to walk down these ways, even though they look creepy.

Jess: 16:09

You don't want to miss out on some good beer. Exactly right.

Hannah: 16:12

So even the day would tell you where you could find what on each street. If you were looking for a baker, you would go to Bakehouse Close, or if you want to get meat, you would go to the Fresh Market Close. So it was kind of like depending if you needed a lawyer, there was a certain name for that one, so you kind of it was named on where you need to go. Okay, it was an easy way to find things you wanted. The cool thing about Mary King's Close is that it's underground now and it's actually a tour that you can take. Yes, there's a huge issue underneath the city and I've been very blessed to be able to go twice, which was kind of cool. I got to go with my mom and then I went with my husband.

Jess: 16:46

So they basically built the town on top of the town, correct?

Mom: 16:51

Well, they built the exchange, which is a government building, because the close had actually been abandoned on a jump ahead, but it had been at that point it had been abandoned, and because it is on a very steep hill, they just kind of flatten it out. They put a kind of like a domed. It's like when you go into the close and you look up, you're seeing the bottom of the exchange. Oh okay, and that domed arch piece is normally, though, the only way I can really describe it is if you're a Harry Potter fan, and you know, was it Diagon Alley? Except not that nice, because these were tournaments and this was not, it wasn't like a really great place.

Mom: 17:33

Yeah, you weren't among the wealthy there, so but think of the really close and the very high. Some of them are like seven and eight story high tenements. Wow, so a lot of people in a very small area with nuts and no sanitation.

Jess: 17:49

Yeah, wow. So seven stories of a building fitting, crazy, yeah.

Hannah: 17:56

So, like my mom said, the buildings were just in disrepair, there was overcrowding in the city and they wanted a new royal exchange. So they just why not? So, as you can imagine, stories have been circulating for some time. One story is about Thomas Colthart and his wife of about 40 years after the last outbreak of the plague and this is the black plague we're talking about. But those people with the coolness oh yes.

Hannah: 18:21

The long nose mass. So the couple moved in to Mary King's clothes in 1685. And almost as soon as they moved in, their maid servant like left, insisting that the house was haunted. So one time when they were resting they saw a vision of an old man's disembodied head floating in the air. Oh shit, the wife fainted and the apparition vanished. But it soon returned and it was joined by a young child. What With quote it's coat upon it which I'm not sure what old English, that is, but I guess I was wearing a coat.

Hannah: 18:57

They prayed for mercy, but nothing changed and a severed arm appeared and beckoned them Exactly.

Jess: 20:35

I mean I think it's awesome, but like, what if that really happened? Like I'm curious as to what our reaction would really get weirder.

Hannah: 20:43

Awesome, keep going A ghostly dog right into the room, followed by a cat.

Jess: 20:48

It's just a family party in a whole room full of weird little creatures.

Hannah: 20:54

Why not Then all the ghosts and ghoulies disappeared? Why? A few weeks later, Thomas died.

Jess: 21:03

Oh shit, yeah, Was that like a sign of his in pending doom, his impending?

Hannah: 21:10

death. So the story was first published at Nuna Burrow in 1685, along with some other tales, and a professor, George Sinclair of Glasgow University, recorded this and other stories in like a compiled book he made called Satan's Invisible World. Sinclair's goal was to exploit these fears about witchcraft and ghosts and demons, and that by doing so he would encourage great godliness and religious devotion.

Jess: 21:37

Yeah, no.

Hannah: 21:38

Yeah, one of his explanations was that these apparitions were created due to the methane, or marsh gas that was coming from the lock that is now the Prince's street gardens that we talked about before, because it was a man-made lake and it was just full of human waste, which Yummy, I guess in a scientific sense, but could have been the reason yeah, but they also said that no, methane gas did cause hallucinations For the people that lived in the close.

Mom: 22:04

So the methane gas can give you hallucinations and can create some of those Different color lights. They've been talked about candles burning different colors, but they have a lot. There is a scientific explanation.

Jess: 22:19

Yeah, I've heard about it. Regarding like swamps and stuff.

Mom: 22:22

Yeah, it's exactly, and then this is what it was. It was all.

Hannah: 22:26

It was a lock and it was it was a man-made body of water that they actually tried to have fish in but ended up just being full of human waste, and so if you're in Scotland now, you'll see it's a beautiful garden, it's gorgeous, but it good fertilizer though, yeah, no, because I mean they did.

Mom: 22:43

I mean we have to remember too Scotland has a very deep and rich history around Witches. Yeah, and I mean a lot more than really. I mean I know we have the sale on witch trials, but Scotland really they, they did a lot to eradicate compared to Scotland right.

Hannah: 23:03

Mm-hmm. So other things have been seen or heard. People have heard scratching coming from inside a chimney when a child sweep is said to have died, or they hear sounds of like a party or crowded tavern. So one of the strangest is I'm looking for my mom's input on this is the story of a low girl who has come to be known as Annie.

Hannah: 23:25

So years ago a Japanese psychic came to visit Mary King's clothes because she wanted to make a film about the hauntings of Britain, and so she said she could barely step inside this certain room because of the pain and unhappiness she could feel. So the psychic had difficulty entering the room and said that there was feelings of a child who was separated from her parents. When the psychic entered the room she communicated with the spirit, and the psychic is called to say she wants me to ask her mommy why she left her. She didn't know that she had the plague. Her mom lied to her to take her here and then abandon her, probably to protect her siblings. Can you get a small doll for the little girl? She has lost her favorite doll and his heart broken.

Jess: 24:03

Oh my gosh.

Hannah: 24:03

That breaks my heart. So the psychic got the spirit a doll. And the psychic says as long as a doll remains, then the room will never be disturbed by the spirit again. Mm-hmm. So ever since then, people from all over the world have been bringing any dolls, toys or jewelry.

Mom: 24:17

So you go to this room and there's actually Tons of dolls in this one room that people left so that's crazy, that Psychic and I I'm saying yeah Went on to do some other types of investigations Internationally and there were, I think, three more times in different places. She there was always a little girl who would come up and ask for help. So I don't know if this was her, her ammo, this is her ammo.

Mom: 24:54

It kind of makes you doubt the story Because you're gonna let on notoriety from the whole anything with the dolls. The other thing is there was someone who did a lot of research and this this you can go either way on but they could not find Anyone who had a child named Annie. Now I've read that there were hundreds of people that lived in the clothes, so it's very possible. The record you know what was the record keeping back, yeah, 1645. I mean.

Jess: 25:22

I know Annies are there. Really, isn't that a common name?

Mom: 25:27

And so they take you in that room and it is creepy. I thought it was creepy because I don't like dolls, yeah, and to have all those dolls staring at you when you walk into a room, that probably is the freakiest thing, and all of the clothes, I'll be honest.

Jess: 25:42

You know, what I wish like Taurus tour guides would do, would be not say anything until after you go into a room, because I feel like they kind of you know Suggest something yeah, they have their emotions, yeah, and then you're like oh, maybe you know, I wish like they would not say anything until you go into a room, and then they're like so tell me if you experienced anything. Yeah.

Mom: 26:08

Do you remember how they put us in a room and turned the lights off and started telling like it wasn't scary? Mm-hmm it really wasn't scary yeah.

Hannah: 26:19

I don't know. I know I was also younger, but it really wasn't until I went to the tavern on main with Jonathan we talked about down in Rhode Island that I ever felt like I was with something that wasn't human, but I don't remember ever feeling anything Americans close.

Mom: 26:35

No, but there, there, I have her AVPs From there.

Ouch! Was That A Ghost?: 26:40

Yeah, you said saying someone you to some?

Mom: 26:43

yeah, there are. There's a lot of information. There's also a lot of misinformation out there. They talked about how they closed the close off. Mm-hmm and didn't let people out, but they were also and we know how this was with the pandemic. We looked at what happened in in China originally on with the COVID pandemic, where people were really locked in their homes literally you could not come out down the street, and I think that's what they did during the bubonic plague, because they they did not know how it was transferred.

Mom: 27:13

It was a few years later that they understood it was the rats on the fleas and this very unsanitary place and yes, the close was really hit hard. Close quarters, yeah really it.

Hannah: 27:26

And no fresh air, really no and I feel like the the doctors were trying with their certain masks, but they thought they were effective, but they weren't.

Jess: 27:37

Back in that day there was no knowledge of you know, like you said, how germs were.

Hannah: 27:42

Yeah, but I thought it was. It was pretty impressive that they knew that they had to protect Somewhat of their face in order to not reap, to get whatever it was.

Mom: 27:52

Because our alchemy world, what had to tell leather? And they were lancing the boils yeah they would lance and and then like cauterize them to try to get rid of the infection, and I have heard some medical people say that they did actually save lives. But I imagine if you were elderly or yeah, yeah, sick of any kind.

Hannah: 28:13

Yeah, just like with COVID, there's no, no chance to be a lung problems. Yeah, fortunately, yeah, unfortunately so so you mom wanted to mention a Story that happened to us, so I this is great story.

Mom: 28:31

So when we went to Mary King's close, I have a theory.

Hannah: 28:34

First, oh, okay, well, that's that's.

Mom: 28:36

That's sorry, I was talking about the three of us when we walked around Mary King's close Um and, and we can, I said it's. It's a little claustrophobic in there. If you, I can. I don't like because it is closed over, but it's well lit and you go on a tour and and I don't, I don't know. It was very cool from a historic perspective.

Mom: 28:57

So if you have any interest in history or in the 1600s, I do the plague, or if you want to learn about Mary King, oh, it's a pretty, pretty cool lady. She was widow, she ran her own business, she had four kids. The close was named after her, which is really unusual. I read somewhere she was a Burgess. She was allowed to vote. This is something you know, the 1600s, this is like she's okay. So the house that she's living in is probably better than the rest of the place. You know, although she did die in 1644 before the plague really hit hard. But that's her. So she didn't really have anything to do with the plague. But we were there on All Souls Day and we're right across from Big St Giles Cathedral, so All Souls Day.

Mom: 29:49

Good remember Sacchan. And that's a lot of people call it Day of the Dead, where you honor your dead and stuff. So I'm just wondering if I don't know, I don't know it was sawing, it's All Saints Day, it's South Souls Day, so I'm just wondering if there's something that it was just really calm and peaceful in there, and I don't know why, that was, but we didn't, we didn't really.

Hannah: 30:11

It was her day off.

Mom: 30:14

I don't know. I don't know. I just I have like this whole theory about the stones and yeah, yeah, we had actually, on Halloween, had taken a trip up to the Highlands. I wanted to go up and say Loch Ness and Burkhard Castle, and we went up there and we saw the lake and it was it was great and on the way back, realizing we had some time, I said let's go to Culloden.

Ouch! Was That A Ghost?: 30:42

This is before Outlander was you know, this was like cool.

Rob: 30:47

You know.

Mom: 30:48

I said you know Scottish Scotland obsessed and I said, oh, let's go to Culloden and we're driving a rental and so we're coming back through the Highlands at night Halloween and I remember it was Halloween because we can only get one radio no series radio and they were telling us stories on the radio coming through the Highlands and we are dangerously close to empty and highlands it is telling us to go off road.

Hannah: 31:14

The GPS turn right to go off road. I'm like I am not cool, we're not going into that pasture. It was a farmer's field, yes, but it was weird and it's creepy Like they don't have lights on their highways.

Mom: 31:28

I'm not. Partly I said, all right, wait a minute, I'm not going down this road, I'm going to turn back from whence we came. Yeah, and I said to them look for gas station. I don't care how much you pay per liter we have, if we run out of gas, you know we're screwed. So and we didn't have ways, we had a real GPS back then which was which was fine, just not entirely accurate. And so we see kind of this glow in the distance where we know there's a shopping center. Yeah, you know, maybe there's a gas station there. We drive into the gas station and I'm like, oh, thank God, we didn't run out of gas. This was just been awful.

Mom: 32:07

So I said to them figure out about the gas in the car. I'm going to go in and pay, give them the, the attendant, a credit card. And it was like a convenience store training, it's dark, it's the Highlands, and I walk into the store with my credit card. Now, at the time I was working at Cambridge, massachusetts and but you don't have any way of knowing that where I worked, right. So I walked in and I handed in my credit card. You can tell I'm American. I don't. That's not. You know, that's not to be genius, to figure out.

Hannah: 32:38

Yeah, that's the last prize, or Canadian? I feel like we stand out.

Mom: 32:41

And I said we're going to fill the tank on the car and he said okay, and he swipes the car and he looks at me and he goes have you ever been to MIT? Now, mit was next door to where I worked and I used to walk there every day at lunch Interesting. And I said to this guy and I go, oh yeah, I work close to MIT. He goes oh, that's a really strange thing to ask me. You know I'm from the States, you don't have my license, you don't know where I'm from, and you ask me about a place that's next to where I work. I'm like, okay, that's just really freaky, but maybe it's a coincidence. So I'm standing there and really awkward at this point because we're all the people in the store and I turn around and I look and there's Hannah and Michelle figuring out the gas was behind the license plate and it doesn't pump gas. You know that right. So do you still not? She still doesn't pump gas.

Mom: 33:32

What I need to oh my God, I'm like I'm going to go out and check and see if they're okay. And he goes oh, I think your sister and your daughter have got it all figured out what. And I'm going. Yeah, I think I did it Now.

Mom: 33:47

I'm like, do I move? Do I not move? I mean what? How does this guy know that's my sister and I look nothing alike. Uh huh, Wait, she's already had. I was in Brunette at the time. She's short, I'm tall and we don't look anything alike. Hannah was blonde, I mean, and I'm like okay, and I'm like got my receipt Like just like that in the car, I said we gotta get out of here. It was, it was really it was creepy. It was kind of creepy, but it wasn't scary creepy until.

Mom: 34:18

I really thought about it after all, I thought you know like how would he? But it was just that it was Halloween and it was where we were and it was raining. It was a very creepy historical place and that is ooh yeah, it was kind of a creepy and we just spent the afternoon in the rain walking around Culloden.

Ouch! Was That A Ghost?: 34:36

Yeah.

Mom: 34:37

And that's a very kind of melancholy place too. So, it was just really interesting.

Jess: 34:42

You know I love, though, that shows like Outlander bring attention to that kind of stuff.

Hannah: 34:49

Yes.

Jess: 34:50

Yes, absolutely. But yeah, that's a crazy story. I want to go, you want?

Mom: 34:56

to go back. Ma oh, I'd go back. The only place I won't go in Scotland is to Grafair's hand.

Jess: 35:03

What's what happened there? It's a graveyard. Oh, is that the haunted graveyard? My brother went to Scotland and he told me about the graveyard.

Hannah: 35:11

I have pictures, me and my roommates that were American. We went to pictures in there and I'm actually looking at them recently and I'm like oh, we were really disrespectful, we were just asking for trouble. I should show them to you sometime.

Jess: 35:27

But not like kicking at anything, but I've not seen them?

Hannah: 35:30

Yeah, just like hiding behind bars, like pretending we're scared and everything.

Mom: 35:33

But it's some yeah, yeah, it's a pretty interesting place. It's a very intense place.

Jess: 35:39

We were there again at night Because you know that's when you go to the cemetery. We were like.

Mom: 35:46

Well, we walked down through grass market where a lot of the hanging held. Yeah, and we went over to the cemetery and said, oh, close the desk. And we're thinking, oh, it's not quite dust, yeah, and we're walking around and I didn't like it in there at all, I couldn't wait to get out.

Jess: 36:04

Yeah, creepy.

Ouch! Was That A Ghost?: 36:04

It's kind of creepy.

Mom: 36:06

But we but Mary King's clothes Definitely cool. I did hear one thing about Mary King's clothes, why they think there's so much activity. Yeah, and when they, when they tried to reopen the clothes, there were a lot of bodies that had been left in there after they plague and they sent these two brothers in and they didn't remove the bodies respectfully. And they think that that's what causes some of the paranormal activity.

Jess: 36:39

But well and plus, there's centuries of history. Yeah, that happened there. Yeah.

Mom: 36:46

And a lot of people have. A lot of people died there during the plague, so a lot of sadness.

Jess: 36:51

Crazy, but that one's a very cool place, scotland. I need to go just to see a man in a kilt. Maybe I'll just buy, david quick, you can.

Hannah: 37:02

He's Irish, you should get him one.

Jess: 37:05

Tell him you can't wear panties underneath.

Hannah: 37:08

Yeah, that's the wrong way to do it. Bye mom, Thanks for joining us. Thanks for joining us. Bye dad, Bye Bye.

Jess: 37:14

Bye, bye, bye guys, bye Hannah, bye.

Hannah: 37:17

Wanderer Bye. Thanks for listening today. The show wouldn't be possible without our amazing producer and editor, Rob Fitzpatrick, who works tirelessly behind the scenes to bring you the best content.

Jess: 37:28

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Hannah: 37:36

And of course, we can't forget the hauntingly beautiful outro music, Rhino's Theme, composed by Kevin MacLeod.

Jess: 37:42

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Hannah: 37:51

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Jess: 38:01

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Hannah: 38:09

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