Rob: 0:00

Are we ready?

Jess: 0:01

Ready, all right.

Rob: 0:02

Remember, don't spur it out the answer. Just say I got it Okay. There's 30 cows in a field and 28 chickens. How many didn't?

Jess: 0:11

Can you repeat it?

Rob: 0:12

There's 30 cows in a field and 28 chickens. How many didn't?

Jess: 0:18

Okay.

Rob: 0:18

All right, you got an answer. Yeah, what's the answer?

Hannah: 0:21

Two Twelve.

Jess: 0:23

You're both wrong Really 40 minus, oh, no 20. So 10. No 20. I was thinking 40 minus 28. So 40 cows and 20 of those cows ate chickens. So there's 20 cows that didn't eat chickens.

Rob: 0:38

Hannah, so there's 30 cows.

Jess: 0:41

Oh, 30 cows, I thought you said 40.

Rob: 0:43

There's 30 cows. Well, I guess we can go back and listen again, but there's 30 cows in a field and 28 chickens. How many didn't?

Hannah: 0:51

How many?

Jess: 0:52

didn't fucking. What Eat chickens?

The Bell Witch Podcast: 0:54

28 chickens 20 of the cows ate chickens.

Jess: 1:03

I did see this on Tik Tok, though I don't like this. You don't like this, no.

Rob: 1:06

Well, how about we get to the shit show?

The Bell Witch Podcast: 1:08

Okay, Welcome to the Bell Witch podcast, a show that covers the infamous legend of the historic Bell Witch haunting in southern United States in the 19th century, where the Bell family experienced frightening happenings within their home. Hang on a second. No, no, no, that's the wrong Bell Witch. This is a podcast about being a witchy pagan in the 21st century, airing bi-weekly, with different guests on each month sharing their pearls of wisdom and gems of knowledge from their very own witchy businesses. I call it a moot loot.

The Bell Witch Podcast: 1:54

Here we cover a wide range of pagan and witchcraft related topics, from sigils, spells and spirits to reiki rituals and pagan parenting while camping in the bell tent named Delilah. It's got nothing to do with the Bell Witch from the 19th century in tenancy that scared people to death in a little townhouse, which may or may not be true. Pretty cool story, but yeah, it's the wrong Bell Witch. This Bell Witch podcast is brought to you by Swales, the friendly green witch from Leeds, uk. An oven witch with a strong Yorkshire accent, a love of all things, weird, spooky, magical and a smelly dragon named Dave. So tune in every two weeks for a sprinkling of Yorkshire magic. Listen to the Bell Witch podcast with me, swales, the friendly green witch wherever you get your podcasts.

Hannah: 2:44

Hello Wanderers. I'm Hannah and I'm Jess, and this is Wicked Wanderings.

Hannah: 2:52

Hello Jessica.

Jess: 2:53

Hello Hannah, how are you? I'm great, oh good, I'm so glad, hi, rob.

Rob: 2:58

Oh, you're going to include me in this episode. No, not by.

Hannah: 3:02

All right, we're in Trian Georgia. This is where our story starts.

Jess: 3:06

I thought we were in Chautuga.

Hannah: 3:08

It's part of Chautuga County, oh. It's called Trian Georgia. It is a town that has been untouched by time.

Hannah: 3:17

Oh, sounds delightful it is one of those southern towns that will take you back in history, and not necessarily the good parts. Oh yes, the first victim I'm going to talk about is Dr Charles Scutter. Charles was a cultured, brilliant, soft-spoken and polished young man. He was blonde, good looking and looked much younger than his 56 years. He was born in Wisconsin to a mother and father who both went to college, which was unheard of for the time. Did he like cheese? He liked to throw a good party, so usually cheese is part of a party.

Jess: 3:49

Probably so, if there's wine?

Hannah: 3:51

Yeah, exactly, Charles married his first wife, which ended in divorce with no children, and then married his second wife, who he did end up having children with, but that also led to divorce. He did receive a PhD in pharmacology and he did government-funded experiments with psychoactive drugs.

Jess: 4:08

Sounds like a good time to me, yeah, send me up After moving to Chicago.

Hannah: 4:12

that's where he met Joey Odom. Joey Odom is our second victim who grew up completely opposite of Charles. Joey grew up poor, with barely an elementary education. He had become incarcerated and that is where he learned to cook. Joey moved in with Charlie into his mansion in West Side Chicago and he became housekeeper, cook, errand boy and companion and a lover Pretty much. At one point it was said that Charles and Joey helped raise some of Charles's children, but that was disputed and Charles would later attempt to disinherit his children completely and his will in favor of Joey.

Jess: 4:47

Why I?

Hannah: 4:48

don't know.

Jess: 4:49

Joey had it going on Apparently.

Hannah: 4:52

Charles was not a typical professor. He would dye his hair crazy colors, he kept a pet monkey and he had a pink gargoyle fountain that squirted water from its mouth at his Chicago mansion that he ended up bringing to Corpsewood Manor.

Jess: 5:04

I mean, who wouldn't want a pink gargoyle?

Hannah: 5:07

fountain Right, if you could, why not?

Jess: 5:09

Yeah, fuck you.

Hannah: 5:11

After the death of both of his parents, they decided they wanted to go somewhere more remote where they could be themselves and find a piece of land that wasn't too expensive. But in the LGBTQ plus community it wasn't always great to be so far away into the woods where there was an in Georgia, yeah. Less community.

Hannah: 5:31

Less acceptance.

Hannah: 5:32

Yeah, a small town can be worse. So after Charles resigned he took vials of government grade LSD, nice and two human skulls from the university, because why not?

Jess: 5:42

I see you doing that.

Hannah: 5:44

I don't know what's LSD, but definitely the skulls.

Rob: 5:46

Don't you see all the skulls up on top of her bookcase?

Jess: 5:49

right now. That's what I'm saying.

Hannah: 5:51

They're fake skulls.

Jess: 5:53

Fake news.

Rob: 5:55

I'm sure, if actually there's three up there, because one of them is holding matches. But anyways, if Hannah could get her hands on a real one, I guarantee you there'd be a real one.

Hannah: 6:04

Oh yeah, if I went through the proper channels proper channels.

Jess: 6:09

everybody wonders if you don't hear from me in the next episode and Hannah has a new skull on her bookcase. Please call the police. She killed me, yeah.

Hannah: 6:22

It's got dark real fast. Yep. They left a real blizzard to go find their new home in Georgia and when they arrived they were greeted by a rotting carcass of a diseased horse gross and a graveyard of denuded trees. I liked that word, I kept it denuded Interesting. Yeah, so they called the road dead horse road. How original and their future home corpse would matter. I feel like these are already like bad omens, so maybe you should just go back and turn around and go when you came from.

Jess: 6:53

Why would we do that?

Hannah: 6:55

Besides the house that was built by hand, they also made a chicken house, which, on the first floor, contained the actual chickens, the second floor was canned goods and a pornographic library, and the third floor was referred to as the pink room or as the rest of the row, and know it as the pleasure chamber.

Jess: 7:10

Oh pleasure.

Hannah: 7:11

So, here, you would find mattresses, sex toys, as well as books, like a guest log that people put their names, addresses and their preferences.

Jess: 7:20

I know I have two questions. Well, I guess the first one's a statement Like I guess the cows didn't eat the chickens, and two did they have a lot of upside down pineapples.

Rob: 7:33

If you know, you know If you know, you know Do you know, yes, I know.

Jess: 7:39

I don't know. You know what I am, just my little Mormon and naïveness is coming out like I wouldn't want everybody to know my preferences, but I guess it sounds like a free for all there.

Hannah: 7:51

So live it up. I'll say something about this. So I watched a documentary on it first, and the book is different, like the facts aren't always lining up.

Jess: 8:03

Oh, so there's a difference between the book and the documentary.

Hannah: 8:06

OK so I don't know necessarily like people were putting, like their preferences and their addresses like that. Oh, no sense.

Jess: 8:12

Well, if you follow Hannah on Instagram, on her book Stagram, she gave this book three stars, right Two, oh yeah it wasn't that great it wasn't that great, but it was good for story. Ok yeah.

Rob: 8:27

Link to that Instagram is in the show notes right below.

Jess: 8:31

I also have a book Stagram. No one cares.

Hannah: 8:34

Stop.

Jess: 8:36

You're such a jerk to me, rob Book gooney.

Rob: 8:41

Link to that Instagram is down in the show notes.

Jess: 8:43

Thank, you Hannah's feisty today for all our book lovers except, don't read this book apparently.

Hannah: 8:50

Yeah, don't read this one. Some said that Charles and Joey were not partners, but lovers. Once in a while I knew it, and Charles tended to have many partners throughout his life, even had pen pals that were in prison.

Jess: 9:02

Oh, were they serial killers? Oh, that'd be interesting Right.

Hannah: 9:06

They were welcoming to strangers, which was always a curious thing to people, knowing that these two men came from the north, to the deep south and to a very secluded place to live. So why were they so kind and welcoming to strangers? Was it that they inherited the Southern hospitality? Or was it because Charles made homemade wine and it was a business he was trying to promote? Or was it because he was curious and fascinated with human behavior and he was studying them without them knowing it? D all of the above, it is said that Charles was part of the Church of Satan, and this was supported due to items and pieces of art found around his house, downward facing pentacles, a stained glass medusa skull and even a Satan Bible.

Jess: 9:45

I mean, was this in the 80s? Yes, okay, satanic panic.

Hannah: 9:48

Yes.

Hannah: 9:49

The author of the book the Corpsewood Manor Murders in North Georgia talked about how the 80s were a time for satanic panic. The song thriller by Michael Jackson came out. Movies like Halloween with Jamie Lee Curtis, amitville and Poltergeist were being seen by youth everywhere. This was causing fundamentalist Christians to see signs of the devil everywhere, including energy drinks and coffee companies. You know what.

Jess: 10:12

The problem with this isn't Satan, it's the religions.

Hannah: 10:15

Seriously, Now I understand that I did not know these men personally, but even as I'm reading this book by Amy Patula, I'm wondering if that these men just had different tastes for the macabre and weird. I also watched an episode on the show called Dead Silent about this case, and the episode was called Welcome to the Devil House and that painted a different picture of these men, which I thought was really interesting.

Hannah: 10:35

I really enjoyed it.

Hannah: 10:37

I thought it was pretty good. There were people that had amazing memories of this place. There was a woman with children that befriended the couple and they would go over and spend time outside and the children remember it being a magical place where Charles played his harp and Joey would bake them exquisite desserts. It sounded to me like these men were complicated and would not be easily understood. Like wouldn't it be fun to go there, all this land, and see the pink gargoyle like come on yeah.

Jess: 11:02

Swimming in the fountain playing the harp. Take some LSD yeah.

Hannah: 11:06

The killers knew who these men were. The first killer we will talk about is Kenneth Avery Brock, who was 17 in 1982. He met these men while hunting deer on their property in the fall of that year. Unfortunately, brock was a victim of abuse and he was kicked out by his father and began to steal in order to eat at night.

Hannah: 11:23

Kenneth is quoted to say never been to a professional sporting event nor a live concert, never eaten in a restaurant, never had a job where I drew a paycheck, where they took out taxes, never filed for my taxes, never had a driver's license, never been married, never had kids, never been to prom, never had a life, never had a chance to learn how to live life. Don't know what it's like to be loved by a woman. Ok, negative Nancy. Kenneth was brought up to the chicken coop and to the pink room where Charlie did perform oral sex on him. So we are all going oh my gosh, this guy is underage, right, but the laws back then in Georgia were different and that the illegal part was not the age, because the age of consent was 14. But it was illegal because they were not married to each other and oral sex, even within marriage, violated the law.

Jess: 12:08

OK, but is that one of those laws that's still on the books, that people forgot to take off the books? I feel like why wasn't it even on the books? Because somebody did something somewhere sometime.

Rob: 12:19

Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense why that was ever on the books whatsoever.

Jess: 12:23

You know what? It was probably a woman that made that law, so she wouldn't have to suck any dick. Ha, ha, ha ha.

Rob: 12:30

That's what.

Jess: 12:30

I'm going for.

Rob: 12:31

Baby. No, but didn't all the men make all the laws back in the day? Women didn't even have the right to vote until what? 1920. I was going to say 1950s up there, but it was 1920?.

Jess: 12:43

It took 80 years to get that.

Hannah: 12:45

I mean, this was 40 years ago. Things have changed, I'm sure, but it just was an interesting thing that I thought the author put in there.

Jess: 12:52

This is the second time today where I've heard of 1982 being over 40 years ago.

Rob: 12:58

Oh my god.

Jess: 12:59

That's really creepy and that's when I was born. She makes me feel really fucking good.

Hannah: 13:04

Oh, wow, wow, woo.

Hannah: 13:09

The second killer is Samuel Tony West. This gentleman's record was far from spotless. He had shot and killed his two-year-old nephew when he was around 13 years old, on purpose or accident. He claimed it was an accident and he was just trying to show the toddler there was nothing to fear. It is said he was sent to a mental asylum, but his criminal career did not stop there. Obviously, with Tony West in and out of prison and with his criminal past, he was not going to stop. He needed a roommate and that is how Kenneth Brock came into the picture. Kenneth told Tony about the gay men in the woods, how they had alcohol and drugs and Tony was in. Though, with Tony's past, he was not going to stop there. He talked about how these men were in the middle of the woods where no one would be able to hear anything, and they lived in a castle, which to them meant money.

Hannah: 13:54

The day of the robbery the two went over to West's sister's house where his nephew was. The nephew was going to be having a date with a girl named Teresa. There is some speculation if they were invited by the two criminals, if the nephew knew about the plan, or the nephew and his date asked to come along to this grand party. It is noted, however, that they ended up getting there that Teresa knew nothing about it On the way to Corpsewood. That's when they filled Teresa in on how they were going to see the devil worshipers. On the way there, they were huffing a combination of paint, thinner glue and alcohol.

Jess: 14:26

Because I mean that's cool.

Hannah: 14:28

Once they got to the house, charles greeted them and took them up to the pink room where they brought the huffing mixture and had drinks. Brock went to the car and retrieved the rifle and when Charles saw, he tried to make jokes and perhaps tried to diffuse the situation. Charles was not new to diffusing situations and dealing with people that may not agree with his way of life or his sexuality. So Brock put the gun down and left. Charles went to get up and Brock grabbed him by the hair and pulled his head back and put a knife to his throat. Charles tried to make light of it, thinking he was playing some kind of game, but he was pushed onto the mattress and had his arms tied behind his back. Brock demanded to know where his money was, but Charles said he didn't have any because of course it was in the bank. Duh Teresa was in tears because the poor thing had no idea this was going to be happening and Charles asked, before he was gagged, if she was all right which I thought was really sweet.

Hannah: 15:17

Teresa and the nephew decided they did not want any part of this and bolted down the ladder but unfortunately were caught and brought back up. Brock and Wes decided that they might have better luck with Charles' partner Joey. So Brock took the gun and told Joey to get his dogs and come outside. Everyone in the chicken house heard gunshots and Brock came back and said he killed Charles' partner and the two dogs.

Jess: 15:38

That asshole. They held the dogs right, Right. I hope they're reincarnated.

Hannah: 15:41

I. They then brought Charles to see his loved ones in the house. His partner had four bullet holes in his head and one in his arm. The dogs were found curled around the stove like they were enjoying the warm heat, and Wes decided to shoot them again, even though they were down.

Jess: 15:56

Charles, there was a special place in hell.

Hannah: 15:59

Yes, charles was heartbroken to see the love of his life dead on the floor, but they dragged him to the library demanding money and a soldering iron, which I thought that was weird.

Hannah: 16:08

He told them he had neither, and he tried to get back to be next to his partner aside, one of the men warned him, telling him to sit back down or they'll shoot him, and Charles responded. I asked for this. He kept going, and so they shot him right in the face, which should not kill him, and so they shot him three more times. The killers were excited for what they were gonna find the house, but they were disappointed because the couple had things that were valuable, like big pieces of furniture, but not a lot of things that were easily carried away didn't think that one through assholes not a.

Hannah: 16:39

Gurgling sound came from Charles, and so they fired a fifth shot into the center of his forehead. A Gurgling sound was made from Charles's partner, joey, and they found that the man had dragged himself to another point in the house, so they shot him again. I know right, this is awful assholes. Another creepy thing is that Charles had a self portrait of himself in the home. That's actually like it's a picture of in the book where.

Hannah: 17:01

He is depicted as gagged with bullet holes in his forehead, and Charles has said to a friend that's how I'm going to die.

Hannah: 17:07

What the fuck yeah no way, yeah, that's crazy.

Jess: 17:12

I'm gonna show you real quick.

Hannah: 17:13

I want to see they actually had a picture of Charles's toe. I was all like this.

Hannah: 17:18

Oh yeah.

Jess: 17:18

I was like all out, oh, why would they have that picture in there? Anyways, here's it's gross. That's crazy. Oh, so they were by each other, that crazy Mm-hmm.

Rob: 17:32

Wow, hopefully we can find this and post it on Instagram, unless you want to take a picture.

Jess: 17:36

I'm sure it's on the line. On the line on the line. It's on the line. You know the interwebs, the Googles, the worldwide wave. Www my mom always says call up the YouTube's and see if you can find a video. My mom's adorable Anyway.

Rob: 17:55

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Hannah: 19:30

The killers started to head west, but the nephew and his date were left with Wells's mother. Well, his mother noticed something was wrong with the poor girl, so she told the story, but she did not help her, instead kept her with no phone access for four days. What the hell? The killers are on a road trip and decided that they need another car. So they find a man with a car who happens to be a police officer, and he told them they can have anything they want, just don't kill him. So they handcuff him, take him into the woods and when they try handcuffing him to a tree, the police officer it gets one hand free and punches one of them in the face and they shoot him dead.

Hannah: 20:03

Teresa, on December 16th, finally managed to call her family and they told her to go to the police. She called and the police department got word to the sheriff. Teresa got to her parents home where she was interviewed. Her and Joey were then taken to the police department where they talked to them for several more hours. Warrants were issued for Weston Brock and they went to Brock's mom's trailer where they found the gun.

Hannah: 20:24

When this is happening, weston Brock are in Texas fighting over everything. In every decision Brock ended up hitching back to Georgia. He calls his mother and says it was all West and asked her to come back to get him. The police were most likely watching the house, so they got the mom to spill all the beans to tell her that that her son had called her. Brock, though, ended up confessing to the owners of the gas station he was at and he was arrested.

Hannah: 20:46

Somehow, the guilt was just too much West, right West, headed to Oklahoma instead of Mexico and then ended up going to Chattanooga. So he's going back to Right near the Georgia line. He runs out of gas, decides to walk in the pouring rain to this club lounge and sees a police officer. He is exhausted so he says arrest me, like he's like just on the guide You're looking for. They go back and forth a bit and the officer finds no arrest warrant but offers him a lift. He brings him to the station in Roseville, georgia. They called Chattanooga County and they assured them there is a arrest warrant, but it doesn't stop there. The officers were afraid that it will be a legal problem that the officer from Tennessee drove the suspect across state lines, so they had him drive back to Tennessee with Georgia cops following so they got to the state line, had West walk across the state line so that he could be arrested by the Interesting, but I mean, I guess you don't want him to get off on a technicality.

Hannah: 21:45

I guess not. But like, can you imagine? Like, oh my god, just like, put yourself in. And they're like oh well, we have to do this. That's other way. Brock was offered life instead of death with a guilty plea. Tony West went to trial and he was sentenced to electric chair, though that's not stick due to issues with the jury and the judge doing dirty. The judge was really dirty. West was retried with a new judge and was given life sentences. After the murders, corpse was ransacked. People took plants or even a piece of brick, but so much got returned because they believed the items had bad luck.

Hannah: 22:16

So, they hoped by returning whatever they took. It would be an apology. There were a couple fires that burned down structures and the land has now become overgrown with plants and graffiti. Hmm, there are strange tales of Joey being buried on the property or people seeing two men one day a year talking to trespassers and never seen again. Hmm, whatever may be happening on that property, paranormal or otherwise, two men lost their lives due to a burglary gone wrong.

Jess: 22:42

That's so sad yeah like something that didn't even need to happen. Yeah, that kind of reminds me in a way of like in cold blood. Have you ever read that book? No, you need to. It was the book that got me into true crime. Oh really, yeah, and these two Like felons went and robbed a family, thinking they heard from someone that they were in jail with, that they had all this money, and they ended up killing the family and got like very little money.

Hannah: 23:16

I just feel really bad for this. I just sounded like they were just like macabre things and strange things that people just back then looked at as evil, and they just just yeah, just so sad.

Hannah: 23:28

It is sad. Rip, rip. Thanks for sharing that story.

Jess: 23:34

I think I have seen that Dead Silent episode. I remember seeing a documentary or something.

Hannah: 23:40

Yeah, it was good. It was just an you know episode the whole season. But the book was I don't know. I read it but it was like I skim read it. I was like this has nothing to do with what I want to talk about.

Jess: 23:53

Yeah, you also have a shitty track record of picking books for cases.

Hannah: 24:00

I do, don't I? I really I'm hoping, my true crime addict.

Hannah: 24:06

Oh, that was really bad.

Jess: 24:07

And then the other one about the episode that we did not do.

Hannah: 24:14

The episode we did not do.

Rob: 24:15

Yeah, reach out to the family.

Hannah: 24:17

Oh yeah, no, we don't talk about that. I thought the New Orleans Vampire one was okay. I really enjoyed the one for Danny Croto that was really well done.

Hannah: 24:31

Yeah, but I do have a shitty record. I'm just teasing.

Rob: 24:35

There's always Wikipedia, that's true, and what's the one that you use?

Jess: 24:41

Reddit yeah that's for like personal stories related to what I'm talking about.

Rob: 24:48

Yeah, I love it.

Jess: 24:50

It would be cool if, someday, when we hit the big time we are in the big time. I mean Wanderers. If you have any cool stories, we could totally do an episode about Wanderers.

Hannah: 25:03

I would love to. I think that'd be so awesome. I want to hear from our Wanderers.

Rob: 25:07

Yes, Come on, guys talk to us A little on the down low, but we might be having a fan coming in.

Jess: 25:15

Yes To join us. Oh, my gosh For an episode Stay tuned Maybe. Yay, she's our fan and I love it. All right, peeps, peeps, wanderers, it's bedtime.

Rob: 25:30

That's all we got. Thank you very much for listening. We'll catch you. We gotta go work our real jobs.

Jess: 25:34

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Hannah: 25:40

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Jess: 25:45

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Rob: 25:49

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Jess: 25:57

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Rob: 26:01

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Jess: 26:02

We're all wearing one tonight.

Rob: 26:04

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Jess: 26:12

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Rob: 26:14

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Jess: 26:18

That's Hannah's life motto, rob's like anyways.

Rob: 26:27

I hear the outro music playing right now, so we're gonna catch you guys later and catch you on the next episode.

Jess: 26:33

Bye.

Jess & Hannah: 26:34

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Hannah: 26:36

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Jess & Hannah: 26:56

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