Speaker 1: 0:00

I'm just finagling my mic here. I always feel like I get it in a different position and then it sounds different. What it's all about? The position. It's all about the position, folks. I also have to say that I'm a very creature of habit, and the fact that normally my mic is coming from the right hand side and now he's got it so it comes from the left yeah, that's true, it's kind of screwing me up. I've got to change the hand I hold my drink in. I've got to change how I get to the recording button. Where is your drink? Behind me? That's not. It's not accessible.

Speaker 1: 0:34

Hang on everybody, that's my dino, dino reaching sounds. See what I mean. Now, in order to put my drink down, I have to be like OK, hi, I'm Hannah.

Speaker 2: 1:00

Join me as I delve into true crime, paranormal encounters and all things spooky. Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the darkness with me. This is Wicked Wanderings. So we're sitting here and we're like, okay, what should we do today? What should we do today?

Speaker 1: 1:35

we got our caffeine wasted most of our morning, because that's what we do. Looked at a lobotomy book.

Speaker 2: 1:41

Yeah, check, check check, check all things and full disclosure. Wanderers, I was supposed to have an episode ready and I didn't. It was a week. It was a week. It was a week for both me and Courtney, so just just Bear with us.

Speaker 1: 1:55

Bear with us. We always have a lot to talk about. The good thing about us is that we never weird things to talk about. Yeah, Because it's kind of our thing. So I show up in typical fashion. I've got you know books I want to show Hannah, One of them being a book about lobotomies that I ordered off eBay weeks ago. Forgot that it came in. It was a Christmas of lobotomies.

Speaker 2: 2:13

But the best part was it was wrapped it was wrapped still Should.

Speaker 1: 2:20

We took it out of its wrapper together, we fondled the pages of it carefully for a few minutes and then we moved into the room that we podcast in in Hannah's home, which is I know we've described it it's like a beautiful library, it's got tons of books, it's really got the mood lighting, it's perfect. And I'm looking at the wall behind me and it's usually it's a beautiful green colored wall and it's got all these like black and white aesthetic photos on it.

Speaker 1: 2:42

But there are two new pictures on the wall and one of them I love because come on, edgar Allen Poe, how can you not? But Lovecraft too? So like, where did you get those from?

Speaker 2: 2:54

Because I don't want to be a copycat, but I do low-key.

Speaker 1: 2:57

Need them for my house.

Speaker 2: 2:59

I got them at the Biggie, which I believe we talked about in the last episode. Yeah, and at the Biggie they have the New England State Building, so I got them in the Rhode Island building and he actually had framed photos of this of other people, like Houdini too, which I thought was interesting. But not my cup of tea, but you know if somebody's out there a Houdini lover, but Edgar Allan Poe and HP Lovecraft, I'll get behind. Yeah, absolutely, and they were five bucks each.

Speaker 1: 3:24

I feel like it's a very underrated thing to be shopping at the Big E.

Speaker 1: 3:28

Like I feel like a lot of times when people go to the Big E myself included we think about the food, we think about the music, we think about the drinks. But you really have to kind of know where to go to find the shopping pieces, because there are a lot of different like food type vendors, right, but there's also a lot of like eclectic goods kind of. Yeah, there's two, and as we're sitting here talking about it, I'm like dang, when can we go to the big e?

Speaker 2: 3:49

because I didn't tell you what else I found when I was there with my mom. You found.

Speaker 1: 3:53

Hannah goes to the big e like a billion times and she finds new things every time she goes so in the better living center there's a sasquatch vendor earrings sweatshirts, um pictures.

Speaker 2: 4:06

Did you buy anything? No, I almost did um, but you know, my mom and rob were with me and they just don't care about that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1: 4:15

But oh, my god you want to go back today to the sasquatch vendor probably okay, cool, because I want to go see the, the guy with the lovecraft excellent, and books, books. So there's all kinds of books there. I feel like we don't need any books. But like you don't know, books are kind of like those things, like people say you go to tj maxx and you let tj maxx tell you what you need. That's how I feel about books. I can't just like make a list and be like these are the books I'm gonna buy.

Speaker 1: 4:39

I have to go to the store, go to the place and be like okay, the books have to tell me which one's coming home pretty much, which is how we ended up with the one in my lap, I'm assuming and the yes, and that's how we got the weird us book, um.

Speaker 2: 4:50

But what I loved about this vendor, it's not like it's not like a barnes and noble feel, feel where you have okay, um, I want, I don't know, like the book thief, right and you have like 10 book, thief books right and then you have another one. This one is kind of like one of those used bookshops where it's just like you kind of have to like go through the books to see what you want.

Speaker 2: 5:10

Experience, yes it's a small booth but you have to go through the books and actually you'll love it because you get to feel them and you get to see which ones are next to each other and you'll love it she's calling out my sensory my sensory disorder I do.

Speaker 1: 5:23

I like to be able to touch things. That's a big part of the way that I explore things. So when hannah pulled out this book the weird us book that she got from the vendor she was talking about it's like a really big, probably notebook width, but a little bit shorter book, and it's a really thick book I mean there must be like five, six hundred pages in this 400 that's.

Speaker 1: 5:41

Yeah, I mean that's, that's a lot of pages and it's got all different topics, but it's kind of about everything across the us and as I'm looking at it, I'm like I have one of those about massachusetts at home, um, but obviously when I got it as a gift I read it cover to cover a long time ago, but this one has. I flipped through it while we were just sitting here. There's a lot of really interesting things in here and you would imagine that, being about the united states, there'd be a lot of things we hadn't heard of. But I was surprised how many things when I'm flipping through, I'm like, oh, I'm familiar with that, I actually know about this and I know about this. And pictures I think there was one picture as I was going through.

Speaker 1: 6:12

I was like I know exactly where that is. I've been there so it's really kind of cool to see all of those different things. How do I open this to the book? One page and it says cannibals. How is cannibals the one thing that gives me like the major true crime ick, and that's what I'm looking at, page 79. The albino cannibals of Ghost Mountain.

Speaker 2: 6:31

I flipped that to that one too. When I had it through, I flipped to the same page.

Speaker 1: 6:34

That's so interesting. And is that in New Jersey? No, pennsylvania, that's in Pennsylvania. That's so weird. This book is cool. We definitely have to do some more research into it. We haven't um, obviously, we're just looking at it today, but there's so many things in it. If you haven't picked up this one and you're interested in this kind of thing, it's definitely, I would say, worth a read. Just the pictures alone are beautiful the pictures are great.

Speaker 2: 6:59

The pictures are absolutely beautiful I think it also gives a little inspiration too. If you're like I don't even know where to start with the weird things of this world and you pick it up, and if you just see, like this, one column essay on something you're like, you know what I want to look more into that, yeah, absolutely, and I like the way they break it down too fabled people and places, unexplained phenomenon, bizarre beasts, local heroes and villains, personalized properties, roadside odyssey roads, less traveled gateways to hell.

Speaker 1: 7:30

I found that one very interesting Ghosts, cemetery safari and abandoned in America and they did a. Really I feel like there's so many things that they could have put into each of these sections, but what I like is that they tried to take like a sampling, so like when I flipped obviously it's me so I flipped to abandoned america first I was like, but they picked things from different places so it wasn't like everything from texas, everything from new england. They really kind of did a good sampling of what I'm imagining is like things that the writer had the most experience with um, a lot of cemetery stuff in here too, which, if you listen to the last episode, wanders um, where hannah and her family went over, kind of different. They had a great episode.

Speaker 1: 8:13

It was a lot of fun and I found myself like looking up all different cemeteries while I was listening. I just your eyes, a vibe.

Speaker 2: 8:20

I want to hang out there so bad. She had so many interesting things to say and I think she was just so excited to be part of this experience, because podcasting is an experience.

Speaker 1: 8:30

It is it really is, and the first time you do it is definitely. It's funny, because now I feel like it and you're like nodding your head. Yeah, you really have to kind of know what you're doing, because if you don't have that right persona on it's, it records like crap. Yep, but she did really good she did. She was a little quiet at first it takes a while to warm up.

Speaker 1: 8:58

It does, and especially with that. Many people too, and like you, have a big personality, and rob has a big personality, and and Jonathan has a big personality and your mom has a big personality.

Speaker 1: 9:06

So there was like a full space over there. I also didn't realize that she had lived in North Adams. She did. I can't believe I never told you that. I don't know why. I just I knew that you had family who had lived there, but I didn't make the connection that it was your aunt. Yeah, she loved that place too. I wonder if it was on church street.

Speaker 2: 9:22

I should ask her, you should I feel like I think she didn't want to give the address, but we'll, we'll check with her. I feel like it was that whole street.

Speaker 1: 9:31

for anybody who's listening, church street in north adams has, like all, beautiful old victorian homes and when she was describing like the rounded rooms I had this one particular house in my mind and my aunt lives on Church Street and so I'm like very familiar with all the houses there. It just sounds like that's where it would be.

Speaker 2: 9:49

All right, I texted her to ask. I'm sure she'll remember.

Speaker 1: 9:52

She has Wi-Fi.

Speaker 3: 9:54

Wi-Fi.

Speaker 1: 9:54

Yeah, in an episode Jonathan made a joke about how she doesn't have electricity or Wi-Fi. Oh my, oh, what.

Speaker 2: 10:07

Like of course she does. That's a callback. It's crazy, though, because I will forget sometimes the shit we talked about, and I listened to that episode and I was like, oh yeah, that was, that was funny.

Speaker 1: 10:12

We did a good job there. I think it's also funny, like even when I listen back to the episodes that we record together, I I expected the first time I did it, like, oh, I'm not gonna find it interesting, I'm gonna like zone out because I was there. But rob does such a job Shout out Rob with the editing that sometimes it's like a surprise for me because I don't know what parts of it it's a really an art. Editing for him is really an art because he splices things together and he makes things sound just better. I feel like he makes us both sound better.

Speaker 1: 10:37

I'm like oh wow, that sounds so eloquent when he records us.

Speaker 2: 10:45

But yeah, but the way we said it was like when we've had guests they're like oh, like, even the first time you came on you're like oh, you guys don't automatically sound that eloquent. Like no, no, we don't.

Speaker 1: 10:50

We say rob cut about 62 times uh, we make weird sounds, we burp, we fart yeah, I have to say I have to text rob, so I can say can you pause it?

Speaker 2: 11:01

so I can be like take out weird noises and I'm doing with the straw right now. I'm sorry, I'm trying to finish it. That's fine.

Speaker 1: 11:07

That's totally fine she said east quincy. East quincy street, yeah, okay, is that a weird street too? There's a lot of big houses on that street. Um, I'm gonna try to. I'm not, I'm like directionally challenged. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put it in the gps so I can kind of like browse around and kind of describe where it is in relation to downtown.

Speaker 2: 11:29

So I just said okay, courtney was curious and she is from North Adams and loved your episode.

Speaker 1: 11:33

Yes, is that Kenzie? No, she's right here. Then what was that shrieking? I have you heard that there was a shrieking sound? I have you heard that there was a shrieking sound in my headphone? Yes, it sounded like a woman shrieking. Yes, what was that, I don't know. And now Kenzie's barking. What did we manifest with that spray? You're supposed to take the bad juju, not invite it. Who said they were bad? They're not inherently just bad.

Speaker 2: 12:05

True, true, sorry, spirits, whatever, wherever you are, I wonder if Rob's. I want Rob to hear that.

Speaker 1: 12:12

I hope he got that, because that was, that was spooky.

Speaker 2: 12:16

I know there's a way on the board to stop recording and listen back, but I don't want to mess it up I know.

Speaker 1: 12:20

Yeah, I'm afraid that we'll break something and rob will be very upset spaghetti when he comes home, okay cool, I didn't know that she was a native. Yeah, yeah, yeah both of my parents were actually born and raised in north adams. Oh really, yep, and I think all four of my grandparents as well. I'm kind of like bad with. I keep my finger in a page and then I take my finger out of the page oh, she's calling me oh ask her.

Speaker 3: 12:50

She wants to be on the podcast hi, oh, hello yeah, what's up um tonight on CBS at 10 o'clock, which I know you can get like on YouTube after the fact, but there's um, I'm trying to get this thing off. Okay, there was a guy when I was up. There was a serial killer.

Speaker 1: 13:22

Louis Lent.

Speaker 3: 13:24

Yes, and he's going to do a big thing on him at 48 hours tonight.

Speaker 1: 13:31

Nice, that'd be cool. We're recording right now, so this is perfect.

Speaker 3: 13:36

Okay good. All right, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 13:39

Just had to clean no, no, no, no, stay. That was great on tm. We'll definitely have to watch that that sounds awesome.

Speaker 1: 13:45

I hate to say that I love lewis lent, but I found his case to be extremely, uh, fascinating. I actually read a really good book if you read and you like to, yeah, read, uh, jess, actually covered I remember that whole business thing.

Speaker 3: 13:59

He had some association with North Adams. It wasn't just Pittsfield.

Speaker 1: 14:04

Yeah, he lived in North Adams at a certain point too. Yeah, I want to say the house they found all of the incriminating evidence was in North Adams. I believe it was on Franklin Street, right off of Franklin Street, one of those little neighborhoods on the right, I think they were even looking in the backyard for bodies.

Speaker 3: 14:21

They weren't even sure at that point.

Speaker 1: 14:23

Yeah, because he had that secret room behind his bedroom, right.

Speaker 3: 14:28

And then the other one that happened up there was at the top of Florida Mountain. It was like a convenience store.

Speaker 1: 14:33

Yeah, lynn Burdick, the one that got missing. Yeah, isn't that your mom's friend? So my mom went to high school with Lynn and she sat next to her in class. And so Hannah, a few episodes ago, asked me if there was a case that lived in my mind that I could never get out. And Lynn Burdick was the case I gave.

Speaker 3: 14:50

I can remember those posters were up for years.

Speaker 1: 14:53

Yeah, people had said that her family had kept the light on. The convenience store has been taken down. It's no longer there anymore, but that one is definitely one that I remember hearing about as a kid.

Speaker 3: 15:04

She was just working there to make money for prom dresses. I remember yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:53

And they said that all of her belongings were left there as if she had left on her own and it wasn't like she was, you know. There was no evidence of her being taken or anything. But when her brother went to go check on her she wasn't there. They said she was a real shy girl. Yeah, my mom said she was very, very quiet, she wouldn't have run off to be with a guy or whatever.

Speaker 1: 16:09

So do they think there's a connection with Louis Lent with that one? They tried they tried to link Louis Lent to her. I don't think they were dead?

Speaker 2: 16:18

No, they couldn't.

Speaker 3: 16:19

Interesting. Yeah, all right now that I freaked you all out.

Speaker 1: 16:22

No, this is perfect, we don't get freaked out, we'll have to have a whole conversation or get together, because I could talk about North Adams and history for a long time.

Speaker 2: 16:31

She just got this new book off of eBay about lobotomies, so that's what we were talking about beforehand Lobotomies oh.

Speaker 3: 16:38

God.

Speaker 2: 16:46

Is that what they did to one of the kennedy girls, kathleen? Yeah, yeah, yep, and and who, who's which? Kennedy? Because I really wanted to. The episode on the rosemary, wasn't it that got stuffed back up into the uterus until the doctor came?

Speaker 1: 16:52

oh, I don't know about that I think it was rosemary had the transorbital done that that whole thing.

Speaker 3: 16:57

Oh well, look what's left now.

Speaker 2: 16:58

The guy with the brain works but who was the one that they were like, no, I don't want my baby born yet and they just stuffed it back in there because I remember someone and that's why they had. Maybe it was kathleen, because I thought they cut off the oxygen, yikes well, the one, the one that they lobotomized, that was the father.

Speaker 3: 17:19

I guess it sounds like she was, just, maybe I don't know. Like, like, simple.

Speaker 1: 17:27

Yeah, intellectually disabled perhaps, I don't know why they thought that would make her smarter, that perhaps it would release depression. It would release different things going on. I don't know why. I mean I would love to after I read the book if you want, you can read it too, maybe they have some more research on why they thought that specifically the kennedy's year after year getting crazier and crazier there definitely is a kennedy curse.

Speaker 2: 17:51

I honestly like that. Family has had one tragedy after another yeah that's true makes you wonder and Joe Kennedy.

Speaker 3: 17:58

The father was the biggest crook in the world.

Speaker 2: 18:01

Yeah, and then who's the one that was Joe, the one that had the girl that ended up drowning?

Speaker 1: 18:06

No, that was Edward.

Speaker 2: 18:08

Just another basic man name right.

Speaker 3: 18:10

Throw Kennedy on the end, chappaquiddick. Wow, you could jump over the bridge that goes from Chappaquiddick to um the island so she she drowned in that little amount of water yeah you only need a couple inches right the ground. Oh, that's the one that greeted um ted kennedy when um he came in remember he had a brain tumor before he died yeah he's the one that took care of him wow yeah she really does have a story for everything she does, she knows everybody, or knows somebody that has a story.

Speaker 1: 19:03

I love it.

Speaker 3: 19:04

The minute I heard North Adams, I was like, yes, another person from North Adams well, that's not the only place like that, north Adams, down the hill close to the college, is that um Houghton?

Speaker 1: 19:17

Mansion. Yes, that story is like unbelievable. I did an episode on that not too long ago she did.

Speaker 2: 19:25

She came on the podcast and did that one and the Hoosick.

Speaker 1: 19:28

Tunnel. North Adams has a lot of history. It has a lot. I've been to both sides of the Hoosick Tunnel me too. It's a cool place in the middle, in the middle, the central shaft, or did you walk up the tunnel?

Speaker 3: 19:39

no, I didn't walk up the tunnel the tunnel, the tunnels.

Speaker 1: 19:42

I told a story yeah, I told a story on the last podcast. I talked about that where I was doing my senior photography project and I was walking up the tunnel before a train started coming out. So 10 out of 10 don't recommend doing that.

Speaker 3: 19:55

That's not a safe choice, bad choice but I think it was the first time um nitroglycerin was ever used in the United States, wasn't it?

Speaker 1: 20:04

I think so.

Speaker 3: 20:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:06

I remember you told me that yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. So much history.

Speaker 3: 20:10

It was quite something, because they started on both ends, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:22

Then they went to the middle because it was going too slow and they met up, which was, you know, we couldn't believe they met up. I guess are there any mines in north adams, like what was the?

Speaker 1: 20:28

what was the big like factory thing for north adams, like I know they had a paper factory oh okay, crane did a lot paper factory um, and there was yeah, they also had um in in the downtown area, um sort of like the river street type section. There was um a hunting and camping outlet factory that my grandmother worked at. Oh really, I can't remember the name of it now. It's all abandoned mills over by where linda's cafe is, or was I, I don't remember.

Speaker 3: 20:59

Yeah, it's changed a lot.

Speaker 2: 21:00

Because what job did you have? Was it in Pittsfield on TM?

Speaker 3: 21:04

No, it was in Bennington.

Speaker 2: 21:06

Oh, Bennington, okay.

Speaker 3: 21:08

That's not too far 18 miles, so it wasn't bad.

Speaker 1: 21:11

Yeah, 25,. 30 minutes from where my mom used to live in North Adams.

Speaker 3: 21:16

Now Christopher Ree's family's got a documentary coming out about him and his wife and they used to spend their summers up there, really, at the theater festival. Yeah, huh, yeah, interesting. I think one of the kids was actually born in North Adams Hospital.

Speaker 1: 21:40

Yeah, in North Adams Hospital is a tale in all in itself. It was a full functioning hospital. Then as an adult, when I was an adult, they made it just an ER only, and now it's coming back to being a hospital where they can do other procedures at.

Speaker 3: 21:52

Yeah, but I mean it's so far between Bennington and Bittesville.

Speaker 1: 21:57

It's scary, those people there. My grandfather, he's elderly, he's 93, and he lives in North Adams. I worry because his doctor is at the old North Adams Hospital but there's nowhere for him to go If something happens. He has a really long ambulance ride. Yeah, it's sad. A lot of jobs were lost too, and that definitely contributed to the economic status of.

Speaker 3: 22:19

North.

Speaker 1: 22:20

Adams definitely.

Speaker 3: 22:22

Yeah, I did do an interview there for a job, but they didn't have any openings.

Speaker 2: 22:27

Was that still you doing the nuclear medicine?

Speaker 3: 22:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:32

Which is actually really cool.

Speaker 1: 22:34

I was just going to say also really cool.

Speaker 3: 22:36

Where does Ron live? Yeah, I probably glow in the dark, use radiation for probably that just makes you more valuable right?

Speaker 1: 22:47

I have that inner glow yeah, exactly, you got your glow up. Is that what the kids say? I have no idea. We don't know. It's been a long time since we've been hip.

Speaker 3: 23:02

I'm trying to think what else I know about? Not much. We used to go to the theater festival a lot in Williamstown. That was fun.

Speaker 1: 23:09

Yeah, williamstown is funny because they don't have a lot. I saw Christopher Reese in his underwear.

Speaker 3: 23:14

Oh, wow, that's yeah, it was, and we saw God, there was so many people Barry, tyler Moore, Damn, I can't even remember Blythe Deanna, I don't know. For years and years I went to at least two to two a year. Yeah, I get it. Norm from Cheers was up there. He was only supposed to be there for a couple of weeks and they were renovating his house and his wife said stay where you are, Don't come home, You'll get in the way.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Oh well, you know, I mean, at least she spoke up, right. She did Woman after my own heart.

Speaker 3: 23:55

Yeah, I did go to what they call the cabarets. It used to be at different restaurants and you'd go in and all the people from the play would come after. Oh, that's cool, that's neat. I was in the toilet with Terry Garr. What a life.

Speaker 2: 24:14

She really does have a lot of good stories.

Speaker 3: 24:17

And in the audience was Paul Newman's sons and wife. We saw a lot of people up there. Richard Thomas was there several years from Walton's.

Speaker 2: 24:32

Oh, the Waltons Okay.

Speaker 3: 24:34

John Boy yeah, no, they used to like hang around. Oh, rob L law was up there a couple times. He was signing autographs in one of the bakeries at one time, just for fun because people were crowding him. He was.

Speaker 2: 24:49

That's when he was in with the rat pack in his younger day I think the most famous person I've met and it was recent was the was the gentleman whose parents owned Gus and Paul's in town. What the owners of Gus and Paul's oh, you met him, I met their son, oh, or their grandson One of those.

Speaker 3: 25:16

Okay, you met somebody.

Speaker 2: 25:18

I met somebody.

Speaker 3: 25:26

I met, I met somebody um I met, I met um. Well, ice cream, yeah, he gave me a coupon for free ice ice cream.

Speaker 2: 25:38

Oh geez.

Speaker 1: 25:39

What a guy.

Speaker 3: 25:42

What a guy. Well, when I met him, I thought he would be in one of those tie-dye t-shirts Makes sense, but not regular clothes. Very disappointing.

Speaker 2: 25:51

What do you mean? You don't dress like that all the time.

Speaker 3: 25:55

I know they don't run the company anymore, but they have to do so much publicity per year that was part of the contract for them selling out.

Speaker 2: 26:06

They probably have enough money for life.

Speaker 3: 26:07

They're fine, oh please, yeah, don't even think about it, it's all set, I'm sure, I'm sure Very nice man though, very nice, funny, funny guy.

Speaker 2: 26:18

Oh my God, that's, awesome.

Speaker 3: 26:20

I know, isn't it? That's weird. Will you guys get back to work now that I've broken you up for the day?

Speaker 2: 26:26

No, this was good. You've now been added to this week's podcast, so oh.

Speaker 3: 26:31

God Don't say, because that's kind of taboo, taboo.

Speaker 1: 26:37

Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 2: 26:39

Cut.

Speaker 3: 26:39

Yeah, okay, sounds good. Yeah, cross them out, but everybody else?

Speaker 2: 26:43

We'll leave everybody else in.

Speaker 3: 26:44

Yeah, um uh, what was I going to ask you? Damn, I don't know. I got a brain like a sieve lately. Um, yeah, all right, we're good. If you think anything, I'm here. Okay, sounds good thanks, antiem.

Speaker 2: 26:59

Bye, I love you, bye she cracks me up.

Speaker 1: 27:03

That was a treat. I always told myself I was never gonna grow up to be one of those people who was like a townie of north adams. But whenever somebody's from north adams, they're like family.

Speaker 2: 27:11

I think it's good because, like you go to north adams now without knowing anything about it, you're like, wow, this is kind of like a bumfuck town with nothing going on there's so much history but there's so much history um, and especially if you're into like, like, odd things, I feel like they have a lot of interesting history about things too.

Speaker 1: 27:27

Um, because, people are like, oh, it's the armpit of massachusetts and like that's all they know about it yeah or I mean I got so sick of when I went to worcester state university everybody being like oh, where the dragons live. I was like even my dad was looking at me. Like what the fuck does that mean? Like why are they keep saying that to us? Why, do they say that because there's nothing else out there, so it must be where the dragons live and I was like I've never heard that before.

Speaker 1: 27:47

I mean can. It was like the joke that they. It never ended like I would go someplace and pick where are you from and I'd be like north adams, yes, where the dragons live. That's annoying. Yeah, it was like that's annoying. Yeah, it was like that's annoying. I didn't even really know what to say when people said it anymore. Like the first time I was like that's weird, and then it was just more annoying than anything else. There's stuff there. Moral of the story there are people in what is the real Western Mass. People are like Western Mass, Springfield. I'm like no West. There's more West. Go as far West as you possibly can. That's what I mean when I say western Massachusetts. I'm trying to think of what we were. I don't know, but that was a good interruption.

Speaker 2: 28:25

That was a good interruption.

Speaker 1: 28:28

Our brains are really focused on the fact that we want to go to the Big E, because we want to go to the Spooky Woods.

Speaker 2: 28:35

Are we?

Speaker 1: 28:35

crazy.

Speaker 3: 28:37

No, okay, just checking Well, based off just the information that we want to go to the spookiest Are we crazy?

Speaker 1: 28:40

No, okay, just checking Well, based off just the information that we want to go to the Big.

Speaker 2: 28:43

E yes, just that, nothing else.

Speaker 1: 28:44

No, I can't confirm for the rest of the time, but no, nope, seems normal to me. Okay, love you. Bye, we love you bye.

Speaker 2: 28:51

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