True Crime Trivia With Cousin Mark

Courtney 0:05

I'm clicking it back on to tell you, rob, that your job is hard and we appreciate you, because I decided we were going to cut an episode off and start a new one, and then Cousin Mark decided to be a comedian.

Hannah 0:15

Well, I started it, though I can't you can't blame Cousin Mark Hannah wants credit.

Courtney 0:18

But Cousin Mark was the one who said the funny thing that made us all chipper. I mean yeah, because it was handmade, that was probably the Okay, ready to wander into the darkness with us? This is Wicked Wanderings. We are going to be doing another one of our true crime trivia episodes with guest cousin Mark. So it's from the book Totally Terrifying True Crime Trivia by Brian Boone, just in case anyone was looking for the reference on that.

Cousin Marc 1:20

You got to get your theme music as a ringtone so I can put that on my phone when you guys text me.

Hannah 1:26

That's perfect.

Cousin Marc 1:27

Okay, there you go.

Hannah 1:28

A lack of license plates. On his car, nailed serial killer Joel Rifkin. Do you know anything about Joel Rifkin?

Hannah 1:34

I do he was in New York. When are we going to find something he doesn't know? I know, right, many serial killers will fulfill their pathological need to kill and avoid capture by targeting prostitutes, right, drug addicts and others who fall through the cracks of society and can go missing without sounding as many alarms. Joel rifkin did just that, murdering as many as 17 drug addicted sex workers in new york city and long island between 1989 and 1993. He was captured not because of evidence of his violent crimes, but because he neglected to put license plates on his car. Stopped by police for driving without plates, rifkin panicked and engaged authorities in a high-speed pursuit that ended when he crashed into a pole outside a courthouse, where he later stand trial and receive a 203-year prison sentence.

Courtney 2:17

Wow, how about the irony on that.

Cousin Marc 2:20

They got him because he had a body in the back of his truck.

Courtney 2:24

Stop. I'm sorry, but like okay actually. I can, so I can see both sides.

Hannah 2:29

on this one I'll play devil's advocate here for a second, both sides of what Having a dead body in the trunk.

Courtney 2:33

Wait for it. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I can understand where your brain would be like oh shit, I have a dead body in the trunk. I'm going to take my license plate off. I can see where you're like. They can't draw attention to myself with this dead body in the trunk by not having a license plate. Yes, I would have preferred if it were my situation, not that it would be. I would have kept the license plate on the car and taken my chances and just not driven like a psychopath well, see, that's the.

Cousin Marc 2:59

That's the thing with dahmer. Dahmer's first kill. He had the kid in the trash bags in the back of the car and he took off. He took off at like two in the morning. The police pulled him over, asked him what he's doing. He goes well, my parents are fighting. I'm taking the trash to the dump just to get out of the house. They go well, the dump's closed. You're gonna have to go home. He goes okay, and he turned around and left did you watch the movie the of dommer?

Murder and Rehabilitation

Hannah 3:27

um, it's on netflix. Yeah, yeah, I did. How was it? I haven't seen it, me neither. It was good. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. Did you watch Woman of the Year?

Cousin Marc 3:36

Woman of the Hour? No, not that.

Courtney 3:38

I can't Not yet. I know that. So I was telling Hannah and Rob that I tried to watchwise. I just had a really hard time with the way that it was set up and I don't know why, because I usually eat that stuff right up.

Cousin Marc 3:52

She said because I listened to the interview that she did with Ashley Flowers. She said that if you could get through the first five minutes of the movie, you're home free.

Courtney 4:02

I disagree with that, because I'm like halfway through and I'm like, oh really, I think it's for me the the actress from glee is in there and it's just super distracting. Did the cup song.

Cousin Marc 4:15

Yes, yeah, I just she was so bubbly and now she's. But see, the only thing I have an issue with with the movie, from listening to her talk about it, was the woman never went on the date with rodney alcala. Oh really, once he, once he came out from behind the curtain and she started talking to him.

Hannah 4:30

She's like there's something off, yeah Right.

Cousin Marc 4:33

And she didn't go on the date with him.

Courtney 4:35

So they fabricated that part because it made better cinematography yeah.

Cousin Marc 4:39

Sometimes real life doesn't fit the book.

Courtney 4:43

Which is disappointing, because there should be no book or movie without what happened in real life, if it's based off of it Right yeah. Well, that's directors for you, and she directed it.

Cousin Marc 4:53

Really the girl that starred in it? Really yeah, because they filmed it in 27 days.

Courtney 5:00

Oh well, that is. You know what, though I might be able to finish it now that that's kept in mind, because I was like, who put this out? What?

Hannah 5:06

is this All right, hannah go.

Courtney 5:12

Do watch this. All right, here we go, are you? Do you want me to keep reading? I yeah, no, it's fine, I'll keep clearing my throat and rob will set me on fire, so it's fine.

Hannah 5:15

So it's more about joel rifkin. Uh, joel rifkin wanted to reform prostitutes, which why are?

Courtney 5:20

why is that the trend of today? Reforming prostitutes or killing them? I guess?

Hannah 5:24

shortly after he was apprehended for murdering somewhere between 9 and 17 women. That's a big gap, somewhere between nine and 17 women.

Courtney 5:30

That's a big gap, somewhere between nine and 17. Anywhere in the middle.

Cousin Marc 5:32

Well Bridgeway was 40. He admitted to 49. They had him pegged at 70 to 100.

Courtney 5:39

It's just such a big gap it is, it's not like you know, around 50. It's like or 100 or 200.

Hannah 5:45

So between nine and 17 women in New York. From 1989 to 1993, Joel Rifkin was sentenced to 203 years of prison. Six years in, in 1999, he submitted to prison officials a 10-page proposal to open a rehabilitative shelter for prostitutes. Oh my god, oh so in jail.

Courtney 6:00

He was like you know what would be great. We shouldn't reform me, we should reform prostitutes. That's good.

Hannah 6:04

Wow, I'm just showing I care now A group that he had once targeted as victims. His facility would offer drug treatment, job training and counseling. No desensitization, training, and here I'm quoting, but it's his quote and here I am quoting I love you guys. Just play along with this. It's a way of paying back a debt, I guess rifkin said at the time he also suggested a scared straight program, quote-unquote, where prostitutes would see dead sex workers at a morgue. The plan was not adopted, was he?

Exploring Sex Work and Criminal Behavior

Courtney 6:34

I guess? Wait, wait, wait. Let me guess he was going to say I'll take one for the team. I'll take the big L on this one, I'll kill those prostitutes for this morgue Wow, he was just doing job security. That's what that was. He was like, I'm just going to keep finding a way that I can kill people.

Hannah 6:49

Let's talk about sex workers for a second, because, courtney, we have had this conversation before. Yes, many times. Like if you want to sell your body as a way to work, who gives a fucking?

Courtney 6:59

shit. I don't really understand why it's illegal.

Hannah 7:01

Yeah, If that's hey girl, if that's what's bringing you money, Well, think about it.

Courtney 7:05

And I'll be the guy to say it. Like people can sell pictures of their feet or their naked body.

Hannah 7:10

What's really the difference?

Courtney 7:11

between sending a picture of your naked body or letting someone have sex. I don't really understand. To the government like tax them, I guess. Like is that what this is about? Like they don't tax. That was one of the things.

Cousin Marc 7:20

That was one of the things with Ridgeway's prostitutes. Ann Rule had it in her book. The mother would say you know you should come and get a, you know hiring at the pharmacy or you know whatever, and you can go. Yeah, and go to work for eight hours a day and make eighty dollars. I can go with a john and make one hundred and one sitting. Right, right, right Right.

Courtney 7:44

Well, when you, when you talk about it like that right and you take what the work is out of it, it just makes sense. It's just that social stigma, stigma. It's another one of those things where the social stigma and I mean there is a safety issue. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie and say that there isn't a huge. There's a body safety issue and then there's also like a your, your personal self issue too. But I don't know, I don't see the difference between doing that kind of it's kind of the same as people who I'm gonna compare rob to a prostitute, he's not gonna like it he's selling his body to go work at somebody's house.

Courtney 8:13

How is?

Hannah 8:13

that not the same thing.

Courtney 8:14

He's selling a service that he's selling a service that his body has. He's selling those calves, those calves those calves?

Hannah 8:23

is that a family trait? By the way? Is it the calves?

Courtney 8:26

oh no, I have skinny legs oh, okay, we always tell rob that it's his calves, that's he loves his calves we make him blush. We talk about his calves. So if you hear us saying that on, episodes.

Cousin Marc 8:35

We should just model him off.

Courtney 8:36

Don't say that to him, because he will, he will, and then he'll start sending you feet pics because our group chat. I get feet pics. I get feet pics that I did not ask for At least you didn't get anything else.

Cousin Marc 8:48

It's better than the other picks you could get.

Courtney 8:50

That's true.

Hannah 8:54

I told him he should get a feet finder and make money off of it. That's it. He could have you checking for moles. Hey, what do you think of this mole Like?

Courtney 9:01

oh my God, Did not hate to see all that you might get the feet picks, that the people can swoop down out of the sky and grab their meal from the river.

Hannah 9:12

Oh man, Read the next one. No, I'm coughing. Okay, his own plumbing complaints got the Muswell Hill murderer captured. Oh my gosh, he clogged drains. Why is it always the fucking drains? Oh my gosh. Oh this one, yeah, of course you know, robert Mullen Is it. Well, let's see, between 1978 and 1983, serial murderer Dennis Nilsen. Oh my God, there was more than one of them.

Cousin Marc 9:37

Dennis Nilsen. Yeah, okay, sorry.

Hannah 9:40

Killed 12 men in a London neighborhood. Ooh, london, yeah.

Cousin Marc 9:44

And then he was trying to just like Dahmer, he was trying to disintegrate them with acid. Just like Dominar, he was trying to disintegrate them with acid. It's like he's trying to read ahead and then flush them down the drain.

Courtney 9:53

And why do people keep doing that when people keep getting caught that way? That's what I don't understand.

Cousin Marc 9:57

Well, wait, watch how he gets caught.

Hannah 9:59

Oh, no, he became known as the Muswell Hill murderer. He strangled his victims and then keep their bodies in his apartment, eventually dissecting them and burning most of their remains. Them and burning most of their remains. Authorities apprehended him after Nilsen and others in his building called a plumber complaining of clogged drains. The plumbers traced the blockages to the top floor apartment where Nilsen lived and found that the blockages consisted of flesh and human bone pieces. Nilsen confessed to police, who discovered bags of human remains in his home, and he was arrested and sentenced to life in prison. Wow, he should have rented a hotel room.

Courtney 10:28

Wow, oh, you should have rented a hotel room. Wow, oh, like Dahmer yeah.

Cousin Marc 10:31

You should have rented a hotel room.

Courtney 10:33

Under a fake ID.

Cousin Marc 10:35

So here's the thing Too close to home. When they called the plumber, the plumber went out to the street, the plumber not a plumber A plumber Plumber A plumber.

Hannah 10:46

A plumber. No, we love the accent. I'm just teasing you, I know you do See, you got him coughing now.

Cousin Marc 10:54

It's contagious. How'd you do that from 300 miles away?

Courtney 10:57

In the virtual, she's a witch. The tea, she's a witch Fucking putt nums, fucking putt nums, what?

Cousin Marc 11:04

happened was the plumber went into the streets in a manhole and that was where she started to see the skin, and then, oh good.

Courtney 11:13

Imagine being that guy and being like Nope straight up Monday.

Cousin Marc 11:17

So listen. So Nielsen found out that they were down there, so it like highly intoxicated two o'clock in the morning he climbed down in there to clean it all out. So they didn't investigate more. Wow, yeah.

Courtney 11:33

You would have to be intoxicated.

Cousin Marc 11:34

Somebody clean this. Something's going on.

Courtney 11:37

You would have had to have been completely inebriated to do that. That's repulsive, oh God.

Cousin Marc 11:43

Could you imagine cleaning that and someone flushes the toilet while you're going?

Courtney 11:48

I think shit would be the last thing on your mind of being covered in when you're down there in literally people's bodies. Yeah, it would be the icing on top of the cake Shit, or the unchewed corn people's bodies. So yeah, we'll be the icing on top of the cake shit why they don't chew with corn oh, sprinkles.

Hannah 12:03

That's another thing like why does corn come out whole?

Cousin Marc 12:06

I don't know you said you, you guys said, you could handle it you can't, oh, I'm handling it?

Hannah 12:11

you can't digest corn.

Courtney 12:12

I don't know why do we eat it?

Hannah 12:14

what nutrients is, if it just comes out?

Courtney 12:16

nothing we're. We're stupid, people are stupid. I don't know why do so. Why do we eat it? What nutrients is it if it just comes out whole? Probably nothing. We're stupid. People are stupid. I don't know why do we drink alcohol? It gives us nothing. Next, next.

Cousin Marc 12:24

Next.

Hannah 12:25

After an NFL career didn't work out, a football player became a serial killer.

Cousin Marc 12:29

Yeah, the I-5 killer.

Courtney 12:30

That's a quick jump. It's a very big jump. It's like you know what Football didn't work out. Fuck this shit, I'm going to kill people.

Cousin Marc 12:38

Yeah. I don't remember his name, but I remember.

Hannah 12:40

Randall Woodfield I recognize that name Was both a football star and a criminal. As a teenager, the wide receiver for Newport High School in Oregon in the late 1960s also got arrested on a charge of indecent exposure. Okay, he went on to play for Portland State University and was drafted by the Green Bay Packers, but he was cut during training camp after being repeatedly arrested for indecent exposure.

Courtney 13:01

Okay, obviously like he's Green Bay Pack and not pants.

Cousin Marc 13:05

He's holding the cheese.

Hannah 13:07

Wait, what was that episode that we had where they talked about having the extension? Do you remember that? The balls extension that was in one of these books? Right, the balls extension? Yes, remember, remember, they would purposely put an extension on their balls, so when they sat, I think hannah's making up some kind of medieval balls torture you don't remember because it would talk about the episode. I think rob was talking to her about it yeah, remember they would wear the tunics, but then they would have like yes, yes, it was a medieval thing.

Courtney 13:34

Yeah, that was from the other book?

Hannah 13:36

Yeah, I don't know, I just brought that up in my brain. Don't ask why.

Cousin Marc 13:39

Hannah's got balls on the mind, balls on the mind, that's it.

Hannah 13:43

Okay, here we are. In 1975, he returned to Oregon where he was linked to multiple robberies and knife point sexual assaults. From 1980 to 1981, he killed as many as 44 people in the Pacific Northwest.

Courtney 13:54

Holy hell, that was one year. He was really mad about the football thing not working out.

Cousin Marc 13:58

Yeah, and again you're on the West Coast California, oregon, washington State.

Hannah 14:04

There's just more people to kill.

Cousin Marc 14:06

That's it.

Hannah 14:07

More opportunity, more places to hide them. There's a lot of great forests. That's where Bigfoot hangs out. Oh God, god, love me, some Bigfoot Sasquatch and Ted Bundy all the time.

Courtney 14:17

Sorry, okay, chewy, back to the book.

Hannah 14:21

Are you sure you're okay with me? Keep reading. I feel bad. I promise you I'm going to be like if I try to read Genealogy websites brought down the Golden State Killer, which I think this is what we did yeah.

Hannah 14:31

We talked about that. Between 1974 and 1986, a man known alternatively as the Visalia Ransacker, the East Area Rapist, the original Night Stalker and the Golden State Killer, terrorized different areas of Northern California Over three different crime sprees. He committed 120 burglaries, 51 sexual assaults and at least 13 murders. Joseph D'Angelo was identified and arrested in 2018, at which point he delivered a full confession. He was caught by authorities using DNA evidence. His genetic material taken from crime scenes matched with that of members of the D'Angelo family on genealogy research websites and investigators narrowed it down to him.

Courtney 15:07

I'm sorry but you're killing people and you didn't think to ask your family at Christmas. Hey, any of you guys doing 23andMe?

Hannah 15:13

Anyone doing ancestrycom?

Cousin Marc 15:15

Well see, when he was doing the break-ins and the rapes and everything, he would have one person tie the other one up, yeah, and then he'd take plates and put them on top of the male victim.

Courtney 15:27

So they would know if they moved.

Cousin Marc 15:29

If he moved, the plates would fall and he'd know they'd move.

Courtney 15:33

Yeah, he was really well thought out. He was a very interesting. He was an ex-pop, of course he was.

Cousin Marc 15:39

Which is why he was able to be eluded for so long, because he was being told what was going on, dear God, and where they were, what, everything, all the investigations were, and he knew what they were going to look for too.

Courtney 15:51

I mean that training you can't get out of your head. You know what they're going to look for you. You can't get out of your head. You know what they're gonna look for.

Hannah 16:02

You know where they're gonna go first you know how much time you have before they respond. Yeah, damn, hiding in plain sight. Keep going. Yeah, well, let's do one more. Let's see. Okay, the golden state killer waited for his victims in their bedrooms. Yes, I did know that the golden state killer, who killed at least 13 people from 1974 to 1986, wasn't identified until the 2010s as j D'Angelo, a home invader who assaulted women and sometimes killed them. He wouldn't attack people while they slept, but preferred to wait for them to wake up. He'd break into their home, stay at the entrance to their bedroom and tap his knife against the wall until they woke up. I would rather just be attacked in my sleep.

Courtney 16:31

Yeah, that's just weird. And that's where you have to have some kind of weird power trip situation, because you just broke in and you're just waiting for them, like imagine you're not in a rush, you're just hanging out, that's it. What if they didn't wake up till morning? Would he leave? I have so many questions? Yeah, because he was escaping in and out of people's windows and stuff.

Cousin Marc 16:50

Yeah, I can't remember if it was him or if it was BTK had one of them had gone in and sat there for like three hours and four, four hours, and then the person never showed up, so we left talk about a patient man sitting in a closet, I want to say that was the btk it might have.

Courtney 17:06

I think it was because we and we really he was an idiot we didn't really know much about him because we haven't done an episode on him and when we started reading one of these books or well, this book, but it was one of the episodes we did in the beginning there was like three or four that were all about him and we were like we should do an episode on this guy because he's definitely got a lot going on.

Hannah 17:24

He was a weirdo yeah, so there's one more on this page, so do you guys care if I just do that one? Okay, serial killer john wangasey also worked as a party clown, which I think oh god, I knew this.

Courtney 17:35

I hate clowns. Clowns are the only cannibalism. And clowns, come on the Cs. Well, I have to say.

Hannah 17:41

I have to say, though, I loved the newest uh movie, it and it too. I really enjoyed them. I hated the book. I gave that a one star. It was the worst stephen king book I've ever read, but I liked the movies stephen king. If you're listening, we love you no, we love you, stephen king, we love you huge fans just I didn't like the book.

Courtney 18:02

I don't know I just don't like clowns casey said, and I quote and here I am quoting.

Cousin Marc 18:08

The best they can get me on is having an illegal mortuary.

Courtney 18:13

I don't even know what to say to that. I have a comment for everything and you just caught me mid-drink and I'm like I don't have it.

Cousin Marc 18:19

I mean he has a point. Most of the bodies were buried in the crawlspace of his house.

Courtney 18:25

I don't understand this. Why do people kill people? I'm going to do Keep them in my house. I hate the idea of like a mouse dying in the walls or something and all that decay, and these people are straight up like I'm going to murder one person a month and I'm going to keep them in my house. You think about like they want trophies, right, they take a piece of hair or a piece of jewelry or a sweatshirt or something.

Hannah 18:46

I don't know, Take the gloved hand. Oh God.

Courtney 18:51

My wrists hurt because they're just picturing the sympathy, pain of having somebody just You're dead.

Creepy Clowns and Killer Dolls

Cousin Marc 18:57

I know You're dead. You're not feeling it.

Courtney 18:59

I'm feeling it right now, though that's unfortunately the truth. She's in her feels. I'm in my feels.

Hannah 19:03

On July 30th 1999, the Kansas City Star made note of how it was National Clown Week with a short article about the heavily made-up children's entertainers. A file photo ran with the piece and it must have been hastily chosen or carelessly approved, because it was a photo of a long-ago convicted and since-executed Chicago-area serial killer, john Wayne Gacy. Yeah, that's really bad. He worked as a birthday party entertainer named Pogo the Clown, between committing more than 30 murders. That's pretty bad. Yeah, you can't just look up clown and just be like, oh, this one looks good, and then it'd be the mark like it's just not, but see he job opening.

Cousin Marc 19:41

If you look at all the clowns they all had you know circle makeup, you know everything was smooth lined, yeah all his came to point in different spots.

Courtney 19:51

So it was a little more freaky. Pronounced. Yeah, I don't like clowns.

Hannah 19:56

Clowns are a no-go for me, but I liked it I did. I like Bill Skarsgård too, which is probably why I like the movie so much.

Courtney 20:06

Another boyfriend, a third boyfriend.

Hannah 20:08

That's a clown. No, what next? I like the movie so much. Another boyfriend, a third boyfriend.

Courtney 20:10

That's a clown. No, what next Chucky? Ew, no, that one creeps me out. I've never seen it though. No me, neither Dolls. I used to have porcelain dolls that my grandmother gave me as a kid, and so I had like walls and walls and walls of porcelain dolls.

Cousin Marc 20:24

You did, yeah, so yeah, so dolls are also. Wow for me what happened? What you do is you take the dolls and you take the. You take the eyeballs out, then put little candles inside them.

Courtney 20:37

Oh god, that's a terrible love. My friend barbara, I found I was in an abandoned house and I found these little like naked baby, like figurines. They were like maybe not even like half an inch tall. So I sent them to her because she loves like filling vases with baby heads and stuff inside her decor and she's like courtney. I'm sending them back. I made something for you and she made me earrings out of these naked little babies. I have.

Hannah 21:00

I've never heard of this friend before yes, barbara, she's like, barbara must be.

Courtney 21:05

barbara must be in her 50s or 60s. Um, she loves antiquing, she loves creepy shit. I'll show you her profile. She's great, she's great.

Hannah 21:12

You can't wear those at work Naked.

Courtney 21:13

Baby little, I'll send a picture of you. I've never worn them because I'm not into the creepy baby doll thing, but I was like, oh thank you, barbara.

Hannah 21:21

She's like I made them just for you.

Courtney 21:30

Shit. What would you wear those? I have no idea. You can't wear them to work.

Cousin Marc 21:32

I've never worn them Halloween party, that's true. Or creepy naked baby doll festival Festival.

Courtney 21:35

I could re-gift them to you if you're into that. No, oh there you go.

Cousin Marc 21:39

You can hang them up right there in the bookshelf.

Courtney 21:41

Oh no, I'll get Cousin Mark's address and I'll send them to him.

Hannah 21:44

Don't put a return address. He Don't put a return address in this open. He'll open it in like naked baby earrings and he'll just be like.

Courtney 21:49

Courtney's been here. Yeah, aren't you wearing them?

Hannah 21:56

Look, they found a new home. I don't know if his wife will like that very much. Maybe she could wear them Like hey, honey, you want to go make your baby.

Courtney 22:03

Does she have her ears pierced? You could each wear one.

Cousin Marc 22:06

Oh no, I made her sit through the Albert Fish documentary and after that was done she says I'm all set with the child killers. It's not for everybody.

Courtney 22:17

No, it's not it's not for everybody. All right, it's not Find another one. Another one, let's see Casey, again, I feel like they do them in clusters. Yeah, should I skip over him? No, finish him. All right, finish him. I don't know where my accent just came from. Finish him, finish him. I'm not saying Mortal Kombat, finish him, mortal.

Cousin Marc 22:36

Kombat.

Hannah 22:38

Gacy was a prominent and productive man of stature Okay, interesting, john Wayne Gacy is commonly associated with his Pogo the Clown character, but he never killed or lured victims while in his clown makeup and costume that would just be sinful. He performed as a birthday party entertainer on weekends when he wasn't managing Kentucky Fried Chicken or serving on several Chicagoland business and men's organizations. I'm sorry, didn't they say he?

Courtney 22:58

was prominent. What do you mean? He's a clown. Yeah, he actually met.

Cousin Marc 23:02

Rosaline Carter. He's a clown. Jimmy Carter's wife.

Courtney 23:05

Really, she's alive still right.

Hannah 23:07

Or she was no they died, she died, she survived the encounter with him. That's what I'm getting at he voted in this election and then died. Yeah, because the flags are still at mass for another five or so days, right?

Cousin Marc 23:18

Nah maybe I don't know Something like that.

Hannah 23:21

It's a full month that they do it for I think.

Courtney 23:25

Yeah, so I think it was like that.

Hannah 23:28

Am I right?

Courtney 23:29

Another her Kentucky accent just came out.

Cousin Marc 23:31

Something like that. I don't know where it came from. She was just talking about Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Hannah 23:35

Back to Polo. That's why Some fried chickens.

Cousin Marc 23:39

That was Gacy's father-in-law. He owned Kentucky Fried Chickens and he gave them a managerial job.

Hannah 23:46

Well, he must know the secret recipe. A manaterial job? Well, he must know the secret recipe. I want to know what the secret recipe is the secret sauce it's blood.

Cousin Marc 23:57

It's not campfire sauce, it's blood, it's better than saying it was semen.

Courtney 24:01

I mean, I don't know.

Cousin Marc 24:02

It's not Chick-fil-A sauce, that's for sure. Ooh, Chick-fil-A sauce.

Courtney 24:05

Well, we can't get that because it's Sunday and they're Chick-fil-A sauce, maybe that's what. Well, we can't get that because it's Sunday and they're Chick-fil-A and they're not nice people.

Hannah 24:09

No, they have this thing with, like going to church or something.

Courtney 24:11

They also have this thing about not liking gay people, and they're closed on Sunday, so it doesn't matter you want me to keep going. Yeah, I don't know when to stop. Why don't we do one more?

Hannah 24:24

We're at 25, the Night Stalker.

Courtney 24:26

Why the Night? That's such a like. I feel like if I was going to be a race car driver, my name would be like the Night Stalker. Why race car driving? Well, because I wouldn't be a killer. That would be weird. Well, no, I don't want to be a killer, but like, why wouldn't I be a race car driver? Why would you Drive?

Cousin Marc 24:39

fast.

Hannah 24:54

But all you do is auto, that's true. See, I wouldn't do like circular racing, though. I'd be like a rally driver, like I'd be like going through the woods. There you go, anyway. It's back to our thing. Okay, a serial killer? What stalker? Okay, a serial killer, known as a night stalker, haunted nighttime los angeles from 1984 to 1985, staging home invasions, sexually assaulting inhabitants, murdering them and leaving satanic symbols behind. He killed 13 people and evaded capture even after the LAPD figured out his identity and plastered the mugshot of Richard Ramirez all over the city. While that unfolded, ramirez was back home in Arizona and he didn't know police were closing in. He came into LA via a Greyhound bus, walked into the convenience store and was spotted by an older woman of Latino descent, teen of descent. Why does that matter? Yeah, I don't know why that's pertinent here, but okay, who saw his picture in a newspaper just minutes earlier and shouted el maton, the killer. Maybe that's why?

Hannah 25:33

that's why it was necessary okay ramirez ran away, but after multiple people tried to stop him, he was taken down by an angry mob.

Courtney 25:41

Citizens arrest pretty much, yeah, right in the middle of the road now has anybody ever noticed that these stories it's always, it's never like took public transportation, it's always a greyhound every single time it's a greyhound bus and like I just find that so funny.

Courtney 25:58

No matter where we're talking about within the states, it's always a greyhound bus. I'm gonna start taking data, I'm gonna get a whiteboard for over in my area and I'm gonna start doing a greyhound check. Let let's do it. There's already one on there. Let's do it. I'm going to have whiteboards all over Hannah's wall in here.

Hannah 26:15

Well, that's soon going to be full with another bookcase. That's what those things are, is it this Yep On that side?

Courtney 26:22

I need to buy a house so Rob can build me a bookcase.

Cousin Marc 26:25

There, you go.

Courtney 26:26

I also need to have money to buy a house.

Hannah 26:28

You do you, can you do?

Courtney 26:31

Yeah, I need to have time to buy a house.

Hannah 26:33

Yes, yes, that's more of what I was going to try to get.

Cousin Marc 26:34

We're too busy incorporating companies. God yeah.

Courtney 26:39

It was one of those things where I was like this is either going to be really brave or really stupid. It was both.

Cousin Marc 26:45

that says it's only stupid if it doesn't work.

Courtney 26:47

Well, that's the reason why it's partially both Stories for another day. Hopefully it'll have all turned itself around by the next time we talk. All right, I'm going to stop our recording here. Wait, should we say goodbye?

Hannah 26:58

Oh, I'm not going to stop our recording here. I feel like we should say goodbye to me. You spent like two and a half hours on your list, well, I was going to say goodbye to him.

Courtney 27:05

I wasn't just going to press log off on him, I was just going to hit stop recording. But shouldn't we say goodbye to him?

Hannah 27:08

though, on air.

Courtney 27:10

Okay, sure, go ahead. Hannah Lead us on your goodbye. Should we sing?

Hannah 27:13

him a song Goodbye. So long A V to say adieu.

Courtney 27:16

I don't know the words to this one Adieu, adieu to you. Okay, this is getting really weird. Goodbye, welcome to us. We appreciate you coming on and doing your thing, and you're obviously welcome back whenever you have more things you want to yap about.

Hannah 27:32

Yes, Always All right, that's awesome.

Cousin Marc 27:34

I would love to be back. You guys just let me know and we'll figure out a time and we'll banter.

Courtney 27:41

Sounds perfect, Banter. It's what we do best.

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Hannah 27:42

And don't forget we have a group chat, so we need to hear from you because I'm working the ladies, of course. Thanks, wonders, bye. Thanks for listening today. Wicked wanderings is hosted by me, hannah, and co-hosted by me courtney and it's produced by rob fitzpatrick music by sasha m.

Hannah 28:01

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