Courtney: 0:01

I feel like we had really good banter until we pressed the record button. Yeah, and it's like pressing the record button was the SD to not be funny anymore. Do we have stage fright?

Hannah: 0:11

What's the MO here With the MO Food?

Courtney: 0:17

I really wanted to order DoorDash, but I know that if I do that I'm going to be long-winded with my four pages of notes and then DoorDash is going to get here while we're trying to record Kitsie go.

Hannah: 0:25

I'm going to be long winded with my four pages of notes and then.

Courtney: 0:26

DoorDash is going to get here while we're trying to record, so I was like go get it.

Hannah: 0:27

I couldn't do all of that all I think about is ML from grad school, like alright, you see those golden arches. Okay, hi, I'm Hannah, and I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney. Join us as we delve into true crime, paranormal encounters and all things spooky.

Courtney: 0:55

Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the darkness with us.

Courtney: 1:18

This is Wicked Wanderings. I want everyone to know. I just face-blanched it again. I'm just going to get into it. Hi, hannah, hi Courtney. So I've been wanting to do an episode. I wanted to do multiple episodes and bring them back local to us, because I know that we've talked a lot about different places, which is really cool and it kind of has that factor of like. We haven't heard as much about it, and probably our audience hasn't either. But I've realized that because I live where the dragons are. Quote unquote.

Courtney: 1:41

I might have some legends and things that people are not familiar with, and so I was kind of just thinking a couple weeks ago and I was like, oh my god, there is this place. What was it? I tried to look through my camera roll. I wish I could say I still had pictures, but it was from like a 2011 memory. I'm dating myself here Today. I'm going to talk about the legend of Camp Wendigo.

Hannah: 2:02

I think we talked about this before I was like Wendigo. I think we talked about this before I was like Wendigo. Isn't that like a type of beast? But I think that's Wendigo.

Courtney: 2:08

Yes, so I'm glad that you made that connection. So the legend of Camp Wendigo is one that I can remember hearing about all through middle and high school. It's kind of one of those places where people would go in groups of two or three or a carload of kids and they would go and try to find the ghosts. And where is this exactly? It is in Windsor, massachusetts.

Courtney: 2:26

Okay, thank you, it's within the territory of Windsor State Forest currently. Now, it is a place for me that I have visited before, which I think is cool. I have my own story of being there, but I'm going to save that because I think that learning about the history is more important. First, like I said, it is in the Windsor Massachusetts area. A lot of people are going to be like where the hell is Windsor? You're going to need a map. I'm not even going to try to explain it. It's actually near what's called Windsor Jams, which is a small waterfall. For those who might be more familiar with, like hiking trails and waterfalls or if you are familiar with the area.

Courtney: 2:58

Sadly, the current status is that it was demolished in 2015. It was a decision that was made by the state. I'm assuming it was likely due to safety hazards, because when I went during the summer of 2011, which was obviously a long time ago the buildings were in a very rough condition, so I'm assuming that they just became so bad that it was like someone's going to get hurt here, and there were obviously people going to go check it out because of all of the local talk it had about it. I'm finding, actually, when I was trying to do my like official research for this podcast that you couldn't really find anything online. Even when you like specified down like Camp Wendigo in Windsor, massachusetts, you would still get a short paragraph and it would all be the same exact information. The history of the camp is that it was founded by Florence Ryder and Mario Logan. They were two Smith College physical education professors.

Courtney: 3:47

Ooh, smith College. Yes, right out of NoHo. Yeah, I mean it is kind of local to that area. Yeah, not too far, but it's more pushed out towards the woods, obviously, where the dragon's like.

Hannah: 3:58

Next to Peru which I was looking at the map, I was like I didn't even know there was a Peru in Massachusetts. Very, very, very, very very tiny.

Courtney: 4:04

I think a lot of the areas out there are very tiny or they don't have like clear boundaries in one shape, if that makes sense, like they're kind of like reaching around other areas. They had worked to create a warm, educational, non-competitive natural haven in the woods in 1942 after they purchased the farmland and the farmhouse that was on the farmland at the time. This camp was built on 75 acres of land and it was previously farmland that belonged to John DeCellas. The farmhouse itself on the land actually dated back to 1790, which I thought was really cool. That's cool and there was actually a plaque on the house that had said that that's cool. So there was actually that kind of like history and the proof of it.

Hannah: 4:40

To speak to the historical nature of the land and the house. You said they tore it all down. Does that mean they had to tear down the historical house? I believe so.

Courtney: 4:47

Yeah, I believe all of it had to come down. That's really sad. And it's sad too because I mean we'll get more into like where the land goes after it leaves this camp. But it really did just end up in the state's hands and it really did fall under quite duress. I mean it was pretty rough when I went there.

Courtney: 5:10

Some of the buildings, were just like roofs caving in Furniture and things were still there, but it was definitely one of the more rough abandoned places that I had seen During the operation of the camp. Approximately 30 boys and girls would attend camp during the months of July and August, so it's not really not a lot.

Courtney: 5:18

No, it was a small camp. It wasn't an overnight. Yeah, oh, they stayed there. Yeah, they said that the people who owned it too. They would often use it for, like, cross-country skiing and things out of season, but that the primary purpose of the camp was for boys and girls to go during July and August specifically.

Courtney: 5:35

I feel like every camp has their thing, that they're known for or their reason why people want to go, so theirs was that the children could learn hands-on farming and really spend that quality time outdoors and with the land, often tasks like tending to animals, doing different things with planting. One camper had recalled that the campers would rotate, taking turns learning how to tend to the different animals at the farm, which I thought was kind of cool. So like one day you might have goats, then sheep, they also had pigs, horses, donkeys, ducks, chickens, rabbits, and then there were dogs and cats on the property as well. So they definitely had a lot to offer as far as skills. And then the land also had a pond, a blueberry field and an apple orchard on it as well. It's kind of almost interesting, like if you think about state hospitals and state schools, they kind of did that same model where they were trying to a lot of them were trying to grow their own crops and raise their own chickens and things.

Courtney: 6:26

It kind of reminded me a lot of that and the timing of it was pretty similar to.

Hannah: 6:31

And focusing on on trade stuff too. I mean, wouldn't you consider like farming a trade too? Like yeah, and very pertinent for that area, because we're not?

Courtney: 6:38

talking like a city area. Like that's probably one of the few jobs that most of the people who live there had.

Courtney: 6:43

Around 1971, it was purchased by the Latter-day Saints and it became a camp for younger Mormon children and it kept a similar feel. While it changed hands and obviously the camp changed it was still dedicated to like farming and learning those skills, which aligns with, I think, what a camp for mormon children would look like. For most people's expectations, there's probably like a biblical aspect, I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure, and it seems like there's not a ton of history available through the historical society specific to that time, which is interesting, I should say book of mormon because they don't have the bible.

Courtney: 7:15

But sorry, just right fact checking myself it last hosted campers in the 1980s and since then had just become a local legend. Later, after the 1980s and after some time had gone by, it was deeded to the state of Massachusetts and it did become part of the Windsor State Forest, which is when it fell into disrepair. There really wasn't anybody looking after the property. The story about the legend, which I know everyone's like, courtney, you're burying the lead here is kind of vague. For starters, I'll say and there's some different variations, kind of depending on who's telling you I wrote down all of the gist of what it is. So the gist of it is that a camp counselor had a mental break and murdered several children at the camp, oh God. So most sources are going to say it was six young girls. In this story that's often told, it alleges that the counselor, in a mental episode, hung three girls in one of the barns, oh God, and drowned the other three girls in a tub before committing suicide herself. Wow.

Courtney: 8:10

Some stories take this back further, from the 1970s into the 1800s, which is minorly problematic for a few reasons. The town records can show that the land was actually a farm during that time. As we discussed, it would not yet be a camp until the mid-20th century. Some people speculate and one particular blog I was looking at was speculating that perhaps the confusion in the tale kind of comes back to typos, because 1980s and 1800s you know, something with eights and zeros which I think makes sense. And really, what I think is hard about this legend and part of what captured me as a young woman who was obviously very creepy I mean, I'm here so obviously there were signs that I was going to be this way is that it was so vague?

Courtney: 8:50

I can remember doing Google searches back then.

Courtney: 8:52

Like when I heard it. You're like, okay, where's the proof? Where's the proof? How do I know? People were always going there. Which takes me into the next part, which is that varying teams of ghost hunters have evaluated this site, finding some spooky evidence that could suggest a paranormal presence. Some different things that different parties have noticed orbs and mysterious, unexplained shadows have appeared in photographs. A child-sized handprint appeared inexplicably once on a window, disembodied voices of children crying and one psychic. This is where I'm skeptical. One psychic claimed to have made contact with the six children of the property and all of that seems plausible when you're considering what the legend is right. You're like, okay, orbs and mysterious shadows okay. If you're talking about people being murdered, especially children. That makes sense. Child says handprint would make sense. Children crying would make sense. But the problem is that when you dig back, the actual evidence to support any of this is none.

Courtney: 9:52

Yeah, there's nothing several town historians and other curious locals have explored the records with no actual evidence that any grisly crime ever took place at the camp or really anywhere in that direct vicinity for that matter. People have gone through police reports. They've gone through the town historian records and other official documents and they can't find anything to support that any. Even an instance like that occurred when it didn't have to do with someone dying. You know what I mean. Like were there people who had an attempt at suicide where nobody could ever come up with anything?

Hannah: 11:03

I have so many thoughts going in my head from a lot of things that you said, because one is that when you have lore right, there's like this one little grain of truth and then it just like explodes right, yep, a truth. And then it just like explodes, right, yep. A second one is thinking about this whole psychic thing. Yeah, it brings me back to when we talked about mary king's close in ennambro, scotland, and one psychic was like oh my gosh, there's a little girl here and she lost her doll. So now everybody brings a doll to this one little room. Just because of what one psychic said and I'm not discounting psychics in general, because I do think there are some people just have like this extra, like six cents that not all of us have, but six girls killed by a woman.

Courtney: 11:50

It's just so specific, so specific and I've really tried, because you know that I have my own like I want to believe a lot of what I read like a psychic said, and I do know that I have my own like I want to believe a lot of what I read like a psychic said, and I do believe that people have the gift and they can get sensations and they can get these like vibes and things. But what was troubling for me is in my research I could not find anything more specific Like to me, like okay, if you made contact right, I don't mean I guess I don't in psychic language, know exactly what that means If you made contact, like what did they say? What did they do? What were their names? Like, did you get any specific detail?

Hannah: 12:21

and there was just nothing and there's is also this thing with if there's a certain spot and everyone's talking about the same thing over and over again, right, and a lot of ghost hunters have proved this to be true where there might be certain entities if you want to call them right, demons or whatever you keep putting into the universe, like there was a boy, bob, that died here by strangulation, right, and you keep putting that in here and you ask back, like through evps or whatever, and you're gonna get yes, my name is bob and I died here by strangulation, like you know.

Courtney: 12:53

You know, I'm trying to say like and if you think about like, I have a lot of thoughts about that too, because I obviously we've watched ghost shows together- and I know you're a little bit- more into the ghost shows than I am I am but like I'm a weirdo, I my thing is like for everybody who's here and doesn't know us.

Courtney: 13:08

I'm always the one who's like a little bit skeptical, where I'm like yeah, I mean, but there's a whole camera crew following them yeah but like we were watching one show I'm not gonna put the person on blast, because I did I did enjoy their show, but they were like, did you hear that? They said blah, blah, blah and I was like I would not have gotten that at all if we weren't listening with subtitles, on absolutely exactly with evps, absolutely something.

Courtney: 13:31

But it sounded like to me, like it didn't, like. I do think it's kind of like a placebo effect in science, right, like if you keep telling yourself you're taking that pill and you're telling yourself I'm losing weight, I'm feeling better, I'm happier, you can use the power of psychology to make yourself actually experience those things, and I think that some of that happens too, and I will say also, just because I've watched so many ghost shows, now I won't if they're like, oh, we're gonna play back the evp.

Hannah: 13:56

I won't even look at the subtitles, I'll just listen. And of course some stuff gets distorted when you're watching it on television. But like I'll be like I heard this and you're saying like, if I heard the number 11, I'll be like I heard 10, because sometimes it is up to speculation or some story. I try to listen to it as best I can because they did you hear, they said devil.

Courtney: 14:18

I'm like yeah, they didn't say devil. They make their own interpretations and I also feel like, and what I was trying to articulate is that we deal with human behavior every day and a lot of people, in some capacity, engage in attention seeking behavior. I've noticed this I mean I believe we all engage in in behaviors to serve all the functions. I don't think that it like. I won't get into that. That's a whole ABA rap which we can save for another day, but also I think the functions overlap too.

Courtney: 14:42

They do A hundred percent. But if you think about a spirit being trapped and there's somebody here in a place where people are probably not normally and they're paying attention, and let's assume that this spirit is attention driven, I can see why that they wouldn't, for any malicious reason, tell you yeah, I'm Bob, yeah, yeah, I was strangled here, right, right, because, one, I would imagine being trapped someplace for a very long time is very unentertaining and two, you're there and you're showing them some kind of compassion and some kind of attention and I can see how maybe you might interact with them. Yeah, I wish I could find more about the psychic. There wasn't a name drop, there wasn't anything. I'm going to keep trying to look. That's all I could find on that part of it.

Courtney: 15:23

While it remains highly and I do highlight, highly unlikely that anything occurred of this type of murderous event, there are records in the area to support that during the late 1970s and early 1980s, several local girls did go missing and or were murdered. Okay, I'm going to bring up three names. I'm not going to dive into any of them today, but I have some plans for things in the future. The first one is Kim Benoit from North Adams. The second one is Cynthia Kryzik. I hope I pronounced that right from Williamstown and her body was found not far from Camp Wendigo, down an embankment in Windsor. So I thought that felt like it was important. I want to dig a little bit more into that. I just had to cut it off someplace so we didn't have a rambling six-part episode again.

Courtney: 16:08

And the third one, lynn Burdick, from Florida, mass. Wait, I'm sorry, the timing of when? Yeah, so it always comes back to Lynn Burdick with me. I know, I know, I know I'm so sorry, but it's so true and I didn't think about it until I was reading this one particular blog. I will give the link so we can put it in the show notes, because he's done a lot of extensive research on this and it shows, and you can read some comments from other people too. He has it open so people can comment on their own experiences, which is cool. You're talking about a time between the 1970s and 80s. It would have had to have been when there were kids available there, so between 42 and 1980, and those three women from the area surrounding windsor went missing and or were murdered. So they didn't necessarily obviously go to the camp, no, but they're within the area and cynthia in particular. She was from williamstown but she was found in windsor.

Courtney: 17:04

I just feel like it's interesting yeah it's very interesting and they might not be related at all, but I'm wondering if that played into.

Courtney: 17:14

The local lore is kind of what I brought it in because you're talking about that grain of truth, right and even just like it's fresh on people's mind, and this blogger did a beautiful job of explaining that. If you were from the area during that time frame of the 1970s to the 1980s and I say those three names you know, you remember, you remember that feeling or where you were when some of this happened. Is that playing into when? Is that when all of a sudden, these stories started coming up? Yep, because it is three and the gruels were six girls grouped into two groups of three. You're right, there's always some nugget of truth. And this gentleman, again in the blog, he goes back in and he talks about the lore of where did it come from and how. There's a lot of lore about camps in particular, and they always seem to go down this rabbit hole of a camp counselor committed some kind of crime and murdered children, or a child murdered other children, and he had a lot of examples that were really well thought out too.

Hannah: 18:09

I find it interesting that, ok, the name three, but the lore had six. And then also it was a woman killer, yeah, which I also thought was interesting. Allegedly yeah, yeah, and you don't always hear about a woman killer.

Courtney: 18:23

I know we've talked about a couple, not unless she went crazy which I didn't love, I mean, as I was like reframing my notes. Wanderers, I don't love the word crazy. I actually kind of loathe it. I know I'll say it sometimes for the sake of that's how somebody else describes something.

Hannah: 18:48

Women do murderous things, when they're quote unquote in a fit of crazy, and also what seems very normal. You know what's normal for a woman, what's normal for anybody? Well, I feel like a man can kind of like do his own thing, he's not considered crazy. All of a sudden, we just decide to do something that's a little bit more independent and we're considered crazy.

Courtney: 18:55

A witch, a teat, a witch, a witch with a teat, a witch with a teat. So other kind of interesting facts that I found in the midst of my research that I was like I gotta make sure I bring this up was that windigo refers actually to a cannibalistic supernatural creature, and it references to darkness and fear.

Courtney: 19:15

That's what that word actually and that's the one they picked for the camp. So, and this is what I asked myself, I have literal questions in my notes. Did the camp creators intend to name the camp something so dark? Did they choose the name for another reason? Did it just sound cool? Unfortunately, with those things like, there is limited records from that time anyways, but that wouldn't be something that would be documented. Is it the street name?

Courtney: 19:36

No, the history of the town of Windsor put out a bicentennial and they offered another alternative possibility, and the entry stated that it was called windigo, and here I am quoting because it is in the town of windsor, the wind often blows there and the place was originally known as the windlow place, which is an indian name, windlow being w-i-n-d-l-o-w. Which is important because this blogger actually went to the cemetery and he's like I checked, checked the records. I couldn't find any wind low people like anybody who would be like wind low place because they lived there. But there's lots of headstones in the cemetery that say winds low. So he's like it's kind of like putting a needle in a haystack on this one. There's no records. There's probably some truth in it someplace, but it's kind of one of those things that you think about and you're like down the rabbit hole before you even realize what's happening.

Hannah: 20:28

I feel like every camp, even back then, would have like a pamphlet. They'll say about us like why, but?

Courtney: 20:33

where would that have been stored in 1942? Very true, very true inside a filing cabinet inside the camp. But then, when the latter-day saints bought it, they'd be like well, what is this?

Hannah: 20:43

Right, we don't need it. Right, right and.

Courtney: 20:44

I'm sure it was frowned upon for whatever reason, probably.

Hannah: 20:48

If it was a Native American name, which is cool, yeah, why change?

Courtney: 20:53

with the L and the G, I don't know. I think there's definitely a lot about it. That's super, super interesting. I did find in one of the town records a little pamphlet that had some statements from former campers that talked about their experience at the camp which I thought was very cool, very important. So I'm going to give you three quotes that are three different people's perspective and memories that they have.

Courtney: 21:15

And here I am quoting I absolutely remember bathing in ice-cold water once a week. I think there may have been some warm water to soap up with, but their reasoning was that we swam every day, which we did. The second one one of my favorite spots, was Blueberry Meadow, up a small knoll beyond the horse barns. I don't think I've ever been anywhere with such an endless amount of blueberries to pick, and then we made jam. Oh, that's sweet. I like that, yeah. And then the last one the camp was wonderful. Each child took turns caring for animals. I loved the goats and chickens. We also had one or two collie puppies that some lucky campers were allowed to take home at the end of the summer. There were bunnies by the archery field and, yes, the showers were frigid, oh geez. But it sounds like, overall, the camping sounds like a camp right and the camping was positive.

Courtney: 22:00

Yeah, I do think it's important to also note, because we're looking at something official from the town. They do talk about the legend and how they say, according to their record, that the legend took place in the 1980s, and they say the same thing that a counselor at the camp murdered six little girls.

Hannah: 22:14

So, if anything, it happened in the 80s Right, but they also state very bluntly after they say never happened. Because that's intense right.

Courtney: 22:28

If you're thinking like this is what happened. That's an intense, it's a big killing spree. It's a really, really big jump. I hate that I always have the episodes that have no real end. I would love to know if anybody's ever heard of camp windigo. I certainly find that when I was growing up, everybody knew about camp windigo. I had gone to camp windigo, but if somebody else has a story.

Hannah: 22:42

No, no, no.

Courtney: 22:43

I went to Camp Wendigo in 2011.

Hannah: 22:45

You weren't even born yet Right?

Courtney: 22:48

No, I visited in 2011 and there were still buildings standing at that point. I did go into them. It was a very off the beaten path kind of place. It did have like a weird vibe to it, but I don't think that's uncommon when you've already kind of told yourself going into it. All these horrific things happened here and certainly that was something that the group of people I went with had been talking about days leading up and the whole ride there my car actually thank God my dad doesn't listen to this podcast. Shout out, Papa Keating, if you ever go back.

Courtney: 23:18

So when I had my first car, I was not even at the point where I could have like other people in the car with me what was your first car? I'm just curious, it was a 1998 Mercury Mountaineer. Okay, so it was a bigger SUV vehicle. So I went with friends. I shouldn't have been driving people by that point. I did not have the ability to do that.

Courtney: 23:37

But I had this car full, like I had somebody in the passenger seat, three people in the back, like we were full, the five of us. Yeah, absolutely. We went up there and we had, like walked around the camp a little bit and then there was a trail going up further that we wanted to see if there was anything further up. When we started up it it was a very drivable path. So I started driving up it and very quickly it turned to a very not drivable path and it turned to mud.

Courtney: 24:01

And my car became stuck. We tried desperately to get it unstuck for probably hours. Now it's getting dark and I remember walking back down to the camp to try to find a shovel and I remember the very creepy feeling. A shovel at the camp, yeah, I needed something, and I figured they had a barn. So maybe there's a shovel. I'm going down I'm trying to find it. It's getting dark. I'm obviously very anxious in general because my car is stuck. You have no service at Camp Wendigo, mind you. There's no cell reception. I'm sure this road doesn't have any lights, no, so Nor would there be any people going up it, unless there are people who are probably trying to do something bad. Right, we finally have to call 911 on satellite, because we cannot get out of this place. Wait, I'm sorry, you had satellite. Well, you can make a 911 emergency call off satellite.

Hannah: 24:47

Oh, okay, I guess this wasn't Hannah's being very blonde right now I'm yeah, yeah, I am.

Courtney: 24:51

So we have to call 911 off satellite and we have to get a tow truck company to come in. They're like we could fine you for destroying this road. I'm like, sir, what road? This is not a road. They had to tow my car backwards because there wasn't even enough room to spin it around a mile out of the woods. Okay, very expensive tow bill. Very expensive tow bill. I got my car keys taken for it. But I will never forget Camp Wendigo because of that experience and it was definitely a very weird time to have had there that. When I'm thinking back, like logically in my my logical brain, should I have driven my car off the path? No, why did we get stuck there? Because it wasn't muddy and then it was very weird. So, as I was kind of like going through this blog and I'm thinking about my own story, I'm reading some of the anonymous comments by other people who have gone there.

Courtney: 25:38

There's just a lot of comments, so I'll read you a few of them, okay end this off. This one is an anonymous and here I am quoting and it says I was up there today.

Courtney: 25:46

Beautiful, beautiful land. I went there before reading any of the it's haunted info, so I had a very clear mind. Despite its overall beauty, it did give me the chills. When I was walking back towards the back barns and buildings, I stopped and turned around twice because I heard someone walking directly behind me as I walked. I thought my dog got out of the car somehow and was just trotting up behind me, but nothing. I went to the barn across the street but didn't feel comfortable going in. These incidents drove me to research the place, only to find that it's rumored to be haunted. I did go to the cemetery first. Maybe someone followed me back to the house, I don't know. It was weird.

Hannah: 26:25

And with the cemetery cemetery.

Courtney: 26:26

It just has the people that passed from the town, right, I would imagine. So yeah, okay. Another anonymous one camped out that way in the summer of 2004, I was with a fairly large group of folks who decided, against better judgment, to walk in the dark around the camp nothing creepy per se, outside of hearing what sounded like horses galloping, which is interesting because it used to be a farm. So we're talking. Even if there is something right, it doesn't have to necessarily be from Absolutely, the land could hold a lot, absolutely Right.

Courtney: 26:50

Another person who does have their name up, but I'm not going to repeat it, just because I don't know if that person would be comfortable with me. I can't get in touch with them to see if they to being named. They said I lived there with my dad in the 80s. I personally never saw anything, but at night I would sleep facing the wall. I always felt as if someone was standing behind me. My brother told me years later that a little girl always ran into my room at night, went back a few times, always made me sad how fallen apart that it had become.

Courtney: 27:15

And I will leave you with a very, very long one, one that had my attention Unknown. This person didn't go by Anonymous, they went by Unknown, which I thought was even creepier. It's like Anonymous is like hey, I'm here. Unknown is like you don't know who you are. Right, are you human? I worked for the Savoy Mountain State Forest as a lifeguard from 1997 to 2000. The Blair Witch Project came out sometime when I worked there and a bunch of fellow workers and friends wanted to make a kind of spoof on the movie by the way, have you seen the blur?

Hannah: 27:45

yes, of course. Okay, I'm sorry this is a little off, whatever, but I saw it and I don't know if it's because, like I'm guessing, if you saw it when it came out, not knowing that it was fake, you'd be scared, because, rob's, like I watched it when you did not know if it was real or fake and I'm watching, I'm like this isn't scary.

Courtney: 28:05

So, like, right, okay, they must have thought that it was, though I'm sure yeah well, our supervisor at the time, who still works for the state, so I won't mention their name, told us about windigo and how he was present when the lady that lived there hung herself and they had to remove her from the ceiling. Oh so we got permission to go up there and film the place. Omg, what happened to us was insane. I never, ever, believed in ghosts until that night. Not only did we see the little girl, like other people mentioned in the comments, but what just creeped me out is that when we were in the basement, an older man in overalls and a hat knocked and peeked in the window, just as two of our flashlights and video cameras shut off. Then we hear footsteps crunch in the gravel right between me and my friend as he got shoved out of the way. We both ran as fast as we could, holding on to each other all the way up the stairs back onto the kitchen of the house. We also had a dog with us another night and the dog started staring at and growling at the door to the big green barn. The door opened up over two feet on its own and we thought maybe it was just the wind. But when we watched the video later that night, three or four balls of light orbs, I guess people call them come out of the door just as it opened, and none of us saw that until we saw the video.

Courtney: 29:10

One more thing that night, as we were driving away from the main white house, we all saw a bluish, glowing light coming from the center window upstairs. None of us had any idea what it was, but when we turned around the car to take another look oh jeez, oh jeez, that's creepy had been physically disconnected as well as the service being shut off. I have a lot more unbelievable stories about Wendigo if anyone wants to know. We did a ton of research about it and know people that can verify the information that is not in the wonderfully written article above, like the fact that two children did go missing that lived there. One of them was found in the pond behind the cemetery. It sounds like the word of mouth information about kids dying and people missing has been mixed up and modified like the game of telephone but, if anyone wants to hear some of the verified stories of misfortune that took place there, feel free to email me at.

Courtney: 30:29

Some of the terrible accidents were not really reported or put in the newspaper and were kept very quiet well shit, are you gonna email the?

Courtney: 30:37

address I'm going to, and I also have one more that I want to read. I actually lied, I had one more. So one more jump scare. In the 1980s, after the camp became state property, a groundskeeper lived in the house. The drownings are said to have taken place in. My mom was there with some of her friends visiting the guy who worked there. What he told them is the murders is why the camp was closed and the tub remained in there. When I was in middle school we took a field trip to Windsor Jams the waterfalls I was mentioning. One of the teacher's aides worked there too, so he had to close up the barn or something, and us kids were near the house. Many of us saw a figure inside the house, on the second floor, I believe the shutters slammed shut too. After the noise, the guy came running around the corner far too fast for him to have.

Hannah: 31:16

I mean you just can't discount all of these people's experiences.

Courtney: 31:23

What do you think? Should I email the guy? I think you should Should.

Hannah: 31:26

I email him from the podcast. I definitely think you should, absolutely. And what do we have to lose? We're going to email him, guys. So that's what we're going to do this time.

Courtney: 31:32

We're going to email him and I'm going to tell him that we did an episode. It's on Reddit, correct? No, correct, no, it's on mysterious hills blog spot, which is the blog that the guy? How long ago was the post? It just says 10, 33 pm. They don't put the dates. Okay, I mean, what do we have to?

Hannah: 31:49

lose. It could be like years ago, but like if they don't respond, they don't respond, right and if you get something cool.

Courtney: 31:54

We'll put it out there. Maybe he'll even want to come on the podcast. Exactly what do we have to lose? Let's do it be a complete weirdo. We don't know exactly. We're gonna. We're gonna try it out.

Courtney: 32:02

I'm not gonna say their address they their email does give their full name, but I'm not gonna say it um on the air unless they want us to redact it. No, but I think that's a great idea. I will, uh, keep everybody posted and if anyone's heard of camp windigo or has thoughts about camp windigo, let us know. You can send us an instagram message, you can send us a facebook message. You can send us a Facebook message or you can text us. If the anonymous thing is more your style Should we do a card.

Courtney: 32:25

I have so many feelings about the cards, but yes, I'll do pick a card, any card.

Hannah: 32:43

All right, so this one is the Nine of Diamonds, tiffany Lomax. On Wednesday, july 2nd 2008,. At approximately 2.37 am, the victim was shot in the area of 199 River Street in Metapin, metapin. Yeah. If you have any information about this case, please call 1-855-MASOLVE Matapan, m-a-t-t-a-p-a-n. I've never. I'll have to look that up later, but anyways, tiffany Lovax, that's just. It's just. I'm so sad, god.

Courtney: 33:18

I'm so sad. I hate ending this way. We got to figure something else out, Courtney. That was awesome that was fun, it was something and I really hope that we're going to email him and we're going to see what happens. We'll see what happens. We're going to see. We always like to do the due diligence of getting all the information and scoping it out for you guys. I love it. Thank you, Courtney, so much, Thanks Always. Bye guys Bye.

Hannah: 33:40

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