Hannah: 0:11

The straws do that. My straws are just weird.

Courtney: 0:14

I feel like your straws are very buoyant. Is that the word Buoyant? Or maybe I just do weird things with mine? No, mine doesn't seem. Oh, we've got a sinker, okay.

Hannah: 0:39

Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney. Join us as we delve into true crime, paranormal encounters and all things spooky. Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the darkness with us. This is Wicked Wanderings, hi Anna, hi Courtney.

Courtney: 1:12

I have an interesting thing I want to talk about. Oh yes, what, what, what, what? So everybody who knows me probably even the Wanderers at this point knows that I've got some severe ADHD going on, and it's relatively new to me and my ADHD tends to be more driving along and doing my thing and all of a sudden I'm just like thinking about a topic.

Courtney: 1:32

So the other day I'm driving along and I don't remember where I was. It's not really pertinent. I feel like initially, when I was trying to like put this whole episode together, I was thinking about how you're going to be like and how did this? Come about. So I'm just driving along and I saw I must've saw something outside that reminded me of fall, which is not hard to do because I love fall. So I was thinking about about fall and then I was thinking about Old Sturbridge Village.

Hannah: 1:56

You gotta stay with me here on this train, okay.

Courtney: 1:59

And what's the best part about Old Sturbridge Village God?

Hannah: 2:01

that's okay. I feel like that's a multiple answer question.

Courtney: 2:04

Okay, well, give me the top three best things about Old Sturbridge Village Okay.

Hannah: 2:08

The atmosphere, okay, the buildings.

Courtney: 2:12

Think specifically, think less broad, think like, what are three things that you, if you could go to Old Sturbridge Village right now, what are three things there you would want to look at? The nature, the covered bridge, yeah, well, I said the buildings, the covered bridge, yes, and so I was thinking about fall while I'm driving, which, oh?

Hannah: 2:29

yes, hannah, I'm raising my hand. I remember as a little girl everyone wants to hear this story. In fourth grade my class did a field trip there and when we did, the person that was like leading our field trip obviously was in the clothing of the time and she had us like count down to the time, so it was like 2000, 1990. That's a very interesting way to do it. And so by the time we got to the other side of the bridge, where, like, the actual village was Right, we were back in that time and it was really. I'll never forget that.

Courtney: 3:00

That's a really cool experience. Yes, I feel like everybody has a memory. If you're from the area of Old Sturbridge Village, I used to work there for a very long time I'll give them the free advertising and I had my wedding there. Anyways, great place to work. I used to work in weddings at Old Sturbridge.

Hannah: 3:16

Village, also so great place to get married. She did not work mine, which was weird. Okay, they actually don't do weddings there anymore.

Courtney: 3:20

Fun fact what? Yeah, sorry to drop that one on you. Yeah, somebody had asked me a couple months ago like, oh, hey, you used to work there. Do you have anybody still works there? Like yeah, they won't do weddings anymore.

Hannah: 3:33

So it's sad, oh my God, wow, okay, that's really sad.

Courtney: 3:39

Sorry guys, okay, I'm so sorry to drop that on, Hannah. Anyways, back to my covered bridge. So one of my favorite things that I ever saw at Old Sturbridge Village was they used to do and they probably would bring it back. It was a really big event. It would sell out every single time event.

Hannah: 3:57

It would sell out every single time the sleepy hollow experience.

Courtney: 3:58

Yeah did you see it? I have not. I saw it once every year and it was amazing. So it was very old. Starbridge village is set up like a village and the best part about it was it was a theatrical performance where you could walk through the village and the scene would change and the actors would follow you, but you were in a three-dimensional village walking through, and so one of my favorite scenes is the headless horseman coming over the covered bridge scene so you have to figure in my ADHD brain, everyone.

Courtney: 4:22

I'm so sorry that you're getting like a glimpse of what my brain looks like. When I think covered bridges, I always think about Old Sturbridge Village, and it got me thinking about places where there's other covered bridges. I only know of one other covered bridge. That's like one I could safely navigate my way to, and it is near one of my favorite abandoned places, but that's not the bridge that we're going to talk about today. Oh no, I'm bringing you Emily's Bridge. I don't know about Emily's Bridge. You don't know about Emily's Bridge, okay, is it in Massachusetts? It is not in Massachusetts, oh, okay. So Emily's Bridge is located in Stowe, vermont, so it's somewhat local.

Hannah: 4:59

Oh, stowe is well known and Stowe is beautiful, for hiking right and very historic, which is what I learned I say hiking.

Courtney: 5:06

I meant she's doing the motion for eating, but she's saying hiking.

Hannah: 5:10

No, I'm doing skiing.

Courtney: 5:12

That's eating, anyways. So Emily's Bridge is located in Stowe, vermont. It's a historic covered bridge. It was also known as the Gold Brook Bridge, which is its formal name, cool. So now you're probably wondering why are we talking about this and who the fuck is Emily? Right, exactly. I need to kind of tell you what the bridge is. First, cool, it's a 50-foot long one-lane bridge that was built in 1844 over the Gold Brook hence Gold Brook Bridge and it is arguably one of the oldest remaining covered bridges in the United States. Oh my God love. So when you're thinking an old covered bridge, what do you think we're going to talk about? About Emily's Bridge?

Hannah: 5:55

The Haunted.

Courtney: 5:58

Obviously, obviously, obviously.

Hannah: 5:59

let me just kind of set this visual stage for the water which I love that you're doing, because I feel like people that aren't from you know high new england like this, like they're like what the fuck is a covered bridge but like if you, you guys need to come new england, see these covered bridges they're gorgeous, beautiful.

Courtney: 6:14

I'm actually gonna see if I can come up with a picture of it to see if we can like put it on social media, because there's actually one in wilburham, massachusetts, that, like, obviously is not as old, but they still have one onto a street and it's gorgeous there's also one in hardwick, massachusetts, which is also beautiful, and it's on a street in hardwick where nobody ever drives, so you can pretty much always get a perfect picture of it.

Courtney: 6:36

My only quarrel is, as a photographer, the street signs that they put near them, that you can't. You have to photoshop them out, which is kind of, but anyways. So you have to picture this like set the scene it's a fall weekend, you're in stow with your honey, you're driving along and you see this dark wood bridge covered one lane. It's perfectly spooky, it's perfectly picturesque, over a small brook, it's just beautiful. But what you wouldn't expect is that a popular local legend as dark as the one that I'm about to tell you love good haunting according to popular legends, sometime between 1849 and the beginning of the 1900s.

Courtney: 7:20

It's very vague, it's a legend I know. Anybody who listened to the windigo episode probably hates me doing this kind of episode. Wait why? Because I feel like I have a lot of questions and not a lot of answers and I'm I'm not afraid to pose those questions that's according to the Vermont History website.

Courtney: 7:36

I did try to cite where, when it comes to legends, just like I did for the Wendigo episode, a young woman was said to have met her lover at the covered bridge to run away and elope. So it's believed that Emily had this lover, who was someone that her parents did not approve of. She loved him and she wanted to run away with him, and she wanted to elope. According to the legend, she waited at the bridge at midnight, which was the time they had decided to meet why is it always fucking?

Courtney: 8:02

I don't understand that either. I'm assuming. I mean it's legend. So I'm wondering if there's something to do with the number 12 or like the start of a new day, the end of a day. It seems very symbolic to me. But she shows up there and she is ready to meet her lover, she's ready to run away. It's midnight and she's standing there. And she's standing there and he's not showing up. Those damn men you know. Jilted by this hurt, she took her own life at the bridge and she haunts the bridge waiting for her lover ever since.

Courtney: 8:35

Oh hell, no Is the short version Mm hmm. She is alleged to wait for him, growing angrier and more heartbroken as the days go on and he doesn't arrive to meet her. Some stories have a variation where she hung herself from the rafters in her distraught state when he didn't arrive and run away with her to begin their life together. Some talk about some very different things that go along the lines of anywhere from she was going to a wedding and was thrown off her horse, she ended up in the river.

Courtney: 9:08

there's a lot of different variations of how emily got this you have passed, but the general consensus is that she is still there haunting the bridge, waiting for her lover, and it really struck me. I listened to a few podcasts about it, I read a lot of different websites about it, blog posts etc. And it just seems to me that a lot of people wanted to talk about the fact that the legend is so simple and it's so different. A lot of websites really got into debunking it couldn't have possibly been true. But what I kind of fall back on and this is another reason why I thought of this is that there were a lot of experiences people had had there. There were a lot of paranormal experiences, and that's fresh on my mind because Miss Hannah had a birthday in May. For those of you who didn't know that, we have a little moment for a happy birthday to Miss Hannah.

Hannah: 9:57

Hey Taurus.

Courtney: 9:59

And Hannah's much-awaited gift from me was what. It was a ghost box and tell the people what a ghost box is if they're not familiar with what a ghost box is Okay.

Hannah: 10:12

So a ghost box is basically. It looks like a radio, like an old-school radio, that what is believed to happen scientifically is that, depending on the frequency you are, you can go through am fm and you can go through like different speeds, but that somehow the different ghosts on the other side are able to interact with the messages coming through on the am fm radio and are able to speak to you through that. So, like you ask them questions and they're able to pick up on the words and the frequencies, be able to talk to you.

Courtney: 10:43

So I so, like you, ask them questions and they're able to pick up on the words and the frequencies to be able to talk to you. So I had that in my head as well. So everything about the S-box. So I wanted to really look at something that was paranormal and also a covered bridge, which seems very unique. Interest.

Courtney: 10:53

Now, travelers, evidently and I didn't know about this bridge until I started diving into it Evidently travelers who are seeking paranormal, paranormal activity, who are doing some kind of ghost hunting, from all over the world visit this bridge and they reported things like apparitions, voices, lights and other haunted happenings. And it actually has been coined vermont's most famous ghost story, which I thought was interesting because we also don't talk a ton about vermont. Yeah, it's one of those places that and I don't know why, because it really is a place filled with history, but there's a lot of different things that are said to have happened here and I want to walk you through them to see what you think could be debunked as something for a vermont outdoors bridge, okay, or haunted happenings I have one question though before you do that so I think about the appalachian trail, which is supposed to be like one of the oldest parts of the world, and very very spooky.

Hannah: 11:50

Yes, so that goes from georgia to maine. Does it go through? That goes through hampshire, not vermont, right?

Courtney: 11:56

double check that, all right. I wish rob from the future was here, because I do think that there's a lot of weird things about darkness there.

Hannah: 12:04

Does the Appalachian Trail go through Vermont?

Courtney: 12:07

Yes, the Appalachian Trail goes through Vermont. The trail covers 150 miles in Vermont.

Hannah: 12:13

So I think that's interesting to say that. They're saying that because the Appalachian Sorry, I'm talking away from the mic the Appalachian Trail is a very haunted place, but please, please, continue. I just was curious if it went through there. Rob from the future, can you please give us information? Thank you, hi, rob. Here the Appalachian Trail does go through Vermont and in fact the Long Trail goes through Vermont and the Appalachian Trail was designed based on the Long Trail.

Courtney: 12:40

Rob from the future.

Hannah: 12:41

We do love when he taps himself in to include things. Okay, I'm ready for this.

Courtney: 12:47

So some of the different things that were reported were kind of a very wide range, which for me immediately was like is this just people who have had a haunted experience and they're just listing things off, but I am going to be quoting from thevermantracom for anybody who wants to look at it. Oh my God, I had no quotes on my last episode.

Courtney: 13:01

I know, I just thought about that too, and here I am quoting. Tourists and visitors to emily's bridge have experienced a wide range of unexplained, potentially supernatural phenomenon. Others have even reported seeing and hearing the following after they parked their car phantom lights, flashing white lights with no source.

Courtney: 13:19

It is not lighted from what my research shows, which is not uncommon for a covered bridge disembodied voices cries for help from unseen woman, specifically a woman, ghostly apparition, a form of a girl seen near the bridge. Unexplained scratches on bodies and cars and remember that's when people have parked their car, so so they're outside of the vehicle. Dramatic temperature fluctuations, photos showing anomalies, blurry shapes, figures in the background, some of the more notable things that were a little bit more specific Phantom music heard under the bridge near the Gold Brook. I wish there was a little bit more information on like what type of music, but music photos fail to develop or contain blemishes of certain areas of the bridge. Okay, cars, paint jobs ruined by invisible claw marks. And claw is what really caught me. On that one, I think claw you immediately think animal, but a claw could be fingernail, fingernails as well. The driver experiencing foggy windshield with handprints on it.

Hannah: 14:26

Horses avoiding the bridge appearing with bloody gashes on the horses okay, I'm gonna stop you for a second because I have a couple things. So the horse thing. I think animals have really good instinct me too about certain things but I have a really hard time with flashing lights, unless it's like in a building that doesn't have electricity, because I feel like we have so many insects that have a hundred percent a way of having lights show and would you go to a covered bridge without a form of light, whether it was your phone.

Hannah: 14:57

Yeah, I just have a hard time with that one.

Courtney: 14:58

You just moved and your headset has silver on it. And when you move, ever so slightly there's a little bit. I do tend to agree that, especially also if the era of time that they're believing that the this Emily would have taken her own life or somehow had expired at this bridge in the 1800s. What type of flashing type light would you? I mean a lantern, but that one seems a little bit far-fetched.

Hannah: 15:25

But if she was trying to meet her lover in secret?

Courtney: 15:28

why would she bring? She wouldn't probably bring a light.

Hannah: 15:30

Yeah, that doesn't make any logical sense to me. It's a continuation of some of these things we've seen.

Courtney: 15:35

And I do want to highlight that this one specifically states a group of teenagers claiming these. So whenever it's teenagers I'm a little bit skeptical, but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Seeing the apparition of a woman approach their parked car immediately makes me be like what were you doing in the parked car right? They wish the entity jiggling their door handles, trying to enter and a figure dissipated after failing to gain access to the vehicle. They also note that sometimes hats have blown away from visitors heads and other objects move. On calm days, which I mean, a hat could blow off of your head, but on a calm day it's a little bit I would just, I would just believe the animal thing more than anything, I feel definitely.

Courtney: 16:20

I think a lot of this folklore is very heavy on people wanting to debunk it. So they do state also that there's a lot of logical explanations for all of these different things, but the paranormal tales continue to live on, regardless of whether emily was alive. And so it got me to thinking, because I listened to one podcast. They were really hung up on like debunking it and I'm kind of like does it matter? Because if the bridge has that much history, that line really stuck out to me because is it Emily or is it someone else? And does it matter? Right? I think about places like who's a tunnel, a bloody pit? Right? How do you know who?

Hannah: 16:55

the person is. Energy stays in objects. Energy stays 100%. So, on a different note, because when you were talking about like scratches just showing up on people not to turn this on me, but you know that we were trying the ghost box yes, in my house and in the place that I live, which has a lot of historical value, the land has a lot of historical value. So I was sitting in our bedroom watching something and I just like had my arm like just kind of hanging out right and all of a sudden I'm like ow, like why does this hurt? And I look and I had this scratch. I don't even know if you can see the remnants. I'll have to look when I'm in the light there's something a little bit near elbow.

Hannah: 17:35

There was a scratch and I was like, where the hell did that come from? And I was like, all right, whatever. I just kept going about my day. I'm like, oh my god. I was like, all right, whatever, I just kept going about my day. I'm like, oh my God. I was like, is someone trying to give me a hit? I mean, maybe I don't know. I don't always think that scratches are malicious. I think that sometimes they're just hey, get your attention, they're not trying to hurt you.

Courtney: 17:58

And I also think in some contexts, let's say in your situation, if somebody didn't leave a mark on you, you might not even think twice about the situation, right, you might just be like, okay, well, there's nothing on me, so yeah and I'm clumsy, I bump into shit all the time, but like I was just laying in bed, right and all of a sudden I got a scratch.

Hannah: 18:18

I was like where'd this come from? Like I was probably watching like sister wives or something.

Courtney: 18:23

I love how sister wives is immediately the thing that you come up with. I don't think it's fair to talk about all of the potential haunted happenings without mentioning that a lot of sources really did go heavy into the history again. Just like camp windigo, there were no records that verified that emily was a real person who ever died at the bridge, but again if you're thinking 1800s. Would there be records and where would they be? We had this problem with Camp Wendigo too.

Hannah: 18:48

I just I guess I would look at the local cemeteries, even if there wasn't any right.

Courtney: 18:52

But Emily was kind of a very common name too. And then who's to say that somebody didn't go to the cemetery? Look up, oh okay, there's an Emily from that time, and then just make it up.

Hannah: 19:01

Maybe I'm just hoping that someone would have been like, oh, if they are Emily and they were young, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

Courtney: 19:08

It's definitely something where I'm probably going to continue down this rabbit hole, because there was a lot of Like you said, if their name's not Emily, then Right, yeah, right, there were varying legends that offered a lot of different, conflicting details, which is kind of something that a lot of researchers were looking into, as if there's not one set story. Then how do we find evidence? Which one do we go down? And I know a lot of times with folklore, there are a lot of different tellings of it. Some people were actually claiming that the actual death that occurred there if one occurred there was of a young girl in a 1920s accident, but I couldn't find any specific example of what that.

Courtney: 19:43

what kind of accident like what it didn't go into and it was kind of like Like was it that they didn't go into? And it was kind of like, hmm, but like what type?

Hannah: 19:50

of accident. So I feel like the only thing that has going for this bridge is that things happened near it.

Courtney: 19:55

A lot of energy was put into it and that's it, yeah, and I think there's a lot of places in the world for, like you were saying, energy shifts. There's a lot of places that just have history to them and things. A lot of places that just have history to them and things happen in those places and sometimes things just happen in general too, and then who's to say that the people who are visiting didn't have somebody with them already?

Courtney: 20:16

because I do think that, while a lot of spirits wouldn't necessarily hang around with one particular person maybe I just don't think I'm interesting enough I do think that some people would carry people around with them. Yeah, so it's definitely interesting and I had it on my mind because of all of the ghost hunting things. I'm curious if the Wanderers enjoy folklore things. I know that we haven't done a ton of folklore exploration. I know Lynn from Springfield will Lynn from. Springfield probably has some thoughts on it.

Courtney: 20:44

This one did seem a little bit more far-fetched and I almost did come up with a different one to kind of talk about, because it was a little flat but I also thought that conversationally talking about things even when there isn't a lot of history to them is still kind of important, because you can think about camp wendigo now seems a little bit less far-fetched to me because of the information that was available and like looking at spooky Massachusetts book.

Hannah: 21:06

like those tales were so short, it was like. But is there any? That's true, A lot of folklores are very short because I feel like there is a grain of truth to every folklore that we have Things start somewhere.

Courtney: 21:18

I do firmly believe that, and even if, for me, I obviously love history too, even if a place doesn't necessarily have this morbid type of story which, unfortunately, as a society, we do clearly tend to favor the morbid stories.

Courtney: 21:31

There is a lot of. Really. I kind of like that you ended yours with a silver lining and so did I, because there's a lot of great things still for this particular site, yeah, it remains open to vehicle traffic, still in Stowe. It is monitored by neighbors and the Stowe Police Department to make sure that nobody vandalizes it, but it is still a landmark that people can drive across. It's visited frequently by paranormal investigators and historians. It's something that brings attention and economic value to Stowe as well. Not that it needs a ton more, but it does have some pull for people. It is included in ghost tours and haunted trails in the area, which obviously to me means that people do have a high value of thinking. It has some paranormal activity and it's the subject of books, documentaries and websites. It's a photo hotspot for visitors and it's an accessible attraction that draws people in and it can be something that everyone can access.

Hannah: 22:23

I would love to make our own Wicked Wanderings road trip where we can just go through New England and go to all these hot spots and just be able to like even record like a 15 minute episode and just bring the Wanderers with us somehow I don't know, even if it was like a long weekend or something. I think it'd be so much fun.

Courtney: 22:40

Do you want me to tell you the thing that I found out at the end of all my research? Yeah, at the end of all all of my research I was kind of really trying to get into like, does anybody have any actual data? We love the data. Joseph sitro, who is the vermont's authority on all things haunted and ghostly okay, has what he believes is the real story of emily's bridge and how it's not quite so romantic or even true, and so this is an excerpt from an interview that he did with Obscure Vermont, and here I am quoting here I am quoting.

Courtney: 23:11

The story of Emily's Bridge doesn't go back to the 1800s, but rather much more recently, in the 1970s. Oh, a woman by the name of Nancy Wolfstead claimed that she was the one who created the story of Emily to scare the local youth. The local youth. There was a swimming hole somewhere near Stowe and Morrisville. She remembers making up the story of the bridge to amuse the kids. At the time there was a huge surge in the occult and the paranormal in the flypaper that is popular culture, especially with films like the Exorcist that had recently debuted, which I hated. She was also the one who came up with the name Emily, however. However, I do think that some people would say things like that for attention. Yes, knowing what we know, you guys can decide. Do you think that?

Hannah: 23:53

I guess it's a multi-part question it is do you think?

Courtney: 23:56

that the story of emily is true? And if you say no which is okay because I think I err on that side what do you think the reason for the paranormal happenings at Emily's bridge are?

Hannah: 24:11

I don't want to discount who the person was Right. Do I think their name was Emily? As of right now, no, could something have possibly happened? Yes, is it possible that some old hag like you just described was like trying to scare children? Okay, that also would add energy to the bridge, but I one thing I do agree on is that that energy is at that bridge and there is something there there's definitely something and I also was thinking about, but it depends on the questions you ask.

Hannah: 24:44

That's right, that's true, you know, it depends on what you feed it.

Courtney: 24:47

That's true because when we were kind of doing our own ghost adventure yes, I can also see now which I had a lot of opinions about ghost hunting, and though I did my small stint amateur in high school that I don't often admit out loud. You can definitely hear and have things happen to you when you're open to them, and then you are thinking the whole time right, is this happening to me because I'm open and receptive?

Courtney: 25:11

to it, so I'm willing, the energy towards me, yes? Or is the psychology of my brain telling me things are happening when they aren't right? And I truthfully think I used to think, even a couple of weeks ago that people like when I'm watching zach bagan with you and you're like all into it and I'm like, oh my god, that is not what that said.

Hannah: 25:29

He's on my naughty list right now, so we're not talking about him okay, he's not her boyfriend Zach Began anymore. He's just that guy.

Courtney: 25:35

We broke up, that guy, yep if I was gonna do the perfect ghost hunt. Let me rephrase all of what I'm trying to say confirmed activity, okay with you and your ghost spot. If I could go to a place I wouldn't want to know the history so in depth, okay that my brain could have the chance to make things up, because I do think, as cool as it would be to go to a place like trans-allegheny right, I know that history inside and out it would be cool to hear things back and then say did I hear them say blue, what about that woman that has that house on the road? Yeah, I do have a little. I want to tease it wonders, because I don't know if I'm going to be able to get it, but I do have a hunch. I do have a hunch on a place. Perhaps that could be cool for it, and I do think now that we have some equipment, perhaps I could sway the person.

Hannah: 26:27

I'll try again, oh my God that we have some equipment. Perhaps I could sway the person. I'll try again. Oh my god, I'll try again. I'm gonna have an orgasm just thinking about this right now.

Courtney: 26:31

Okay, I love how she takes her headset off to say I'm gonna have an orgasm just thinking about this right now, even though the microphone is still on.

Hannah: 26:37

Uh, I'm gonna do pick a card any card wanders before this gets any more strange but also I love that you were like hannah's getting antsy right now, which my last episode wanderers. She was like, oh, but, but was he the husband? Oh, he was the father, right like I had a lot of questions.

Courtney: 26:51

You calm your moo moo down. I I hope that the wanderers can let me know. Do you guys like hearing about folklore? Do you want me to return back to my realm of serial killers? I'm trying to go with the feedback and try to, you know, shake it up a little bit.

Hannah: 27:05

We're trying, tell us let know?

Courtney: 27:07

Do you hate my folklore stuff? Cousin Mark, you don't count. You don't get to tell me serial killers, because you're going to tell me serial killers always.

Hannah: 27:13

I know that, and you're going to answer every question, right?

Courtney: 27:15

I'm going to do pick a card, any card to myself, because I have the cards. I have the eight of clubs. Angelo Andy Puglisi. On August 21st 1976, a 10-year-old boy went missing from the Higgins pool in Lawrence. He was last seen at approximately 5.45 pm walking around the pool area wearing green swim trunks. Andy has never been found. That's so sad and he is an adorable little boy again. His name was angelo andy puglisi. If you have any information about this case, please call 1-855-MA-SOLVE. That is so sad. I feel like lawrence comes up in these cards a lot and I do know that it's a population density, probably situation, but I do feel like the last few times I've pulled cards I feel like they've been someplace in that area people suck dude and when it's a kid it just really hits home, especially how old he was.

Courtney: 28:16

I'm sorry, um, it did say he was a 10 year old boy and that was in 1976. That's, oh my god, just so you're talking 50-something years ago, now, right, 50.

Hannah: 28:28

Yeah, almost 50. Almost 50. He must be in his 50s by now. Wow.

Courtney: 28:32

And that's just. It's so sad when it's a missing persons case. I know that we obviously run you know true crime and wicked wanderings type of podcasts, but there's just something about for what we both do for work. Seeing a child, you know, go missing or get hurt, seeing a child, you know, go missing or get hurt, that's just a little bit, a little extra unsettling. So again, if you guys have any information or any type of lead, Well, thank you, Courtney.

Hannah: 28:55

That was a great episode. That was a lot of fun, and, wanderers, please again text us, let us know.

Courtney: 29:02

I'm going to put a poll up. I'm going to put a poll up on whenever Rob is putting this episode out. I'm going to make a story for this to see what we can kind of get for categories out there, because we want to give you guys we obviously enjoy doing what we do, but we want to give you guys the content that you want to hear too. And now, obviously, with Wicked Wanderings being as far into it as it is, we've covered a lot of different things we have and we're by no means running out. So don't anybody think we're going anywhere, because that's not going to happen. But there's so many topics to choose from and it's so easy to go down a rabbit hole of just serial killers or yes?

Courtney: 29:35

just murder. We definitely went down a murder hole for a little while. There we're trying to even it back out. So let us know. And until next time, Wanderers.

Hannah: 29:43

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